Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by jpch, Mar 8, 2012.
Simulated? Pfft. Real or GTFO.
Shucks that's easy, don't they have them new fangled talk'in magical holio-decks to do all that already?
I just remembered the most repulsive "romance" in Trek. I must have blocked it from my mind because in a thousand shipper threads and threads that morphed into shipper threads it never entered my head.
Odo and the female founder's night of passion.
Neelix and the female Klingon's night of passion.
What has been imagined, can not be unimagined.
Odo's night of passion is grosser but Neelix's is stupider. She would have killed him, he would have been cowering under a bed squealing in terror. There is no way he's going for that kind of scene after his Kes infatuation.
As a being with a pulse, I find any situation where Neelix even has the opportunity of making the beast with two backs to be repulsive.
If they force us to suffer mental images of that, then surely people can handle the thought of two hot guys going at it!
Night? They were squirreled away for days, and doing it "Solid Humanoid Style" was just a small period of that time, and she wasn't even impressed ("oh, that's all there is to it") as the "Changeling Linking" they were getting up to.
But, yea, definitely ICK
You're all so shallow. Ugly people are allowed to do it too you know.
LOL, this coming from someone who implies Kate Beckinsale is a wrinkled old hag?
I'm not sure about anyone else, but, it has nothing to do on my end with their attractiveness, and, matter of fact is Kira/Odo is one of my favorite Trek Romances, as previously stated
Well stated, Trek Survivor and You_Will_Fail. I was hoping someone would state the obvious. No one should force someone to be what they are not... whether gay or straight. On the other hand, we should not ignore the obvious. Whether because of several hosts or because Odan was now female, TNG's constant preaching of "we have evolved beyond prejudice" rings very hollow in light of Beverly's reaction to Odan.
Questionable (IMO) whether this would count as prejudice, strictly speaking. Could be that Bev simply didn't roll that way. Personal sexual preferences and orientations are, well, personal. Not like she disputed Odan's right to exist or tried to make him conform to her mindset - it was all simply too weird for her to deal with on a personal level. If it was someone she had to interact with on a purely professional level, probably no problem whatsoever.
Reverse the situation. Postulate that Odan began the episode in a female host. Supposing she and Bev had a relationship, and things otherwise went more or less the same plot-wise. Except .... that Odan winds up in a MALE host at the end.
If this hypothetical development was too much for that Bev and she broke things off, how many accusations of prejudice would people be making then?
Not intending to be inflammatory here, just a point to ponder.
:: nods ::
I have some calls to make!
You do make a good point. My answer to your question is that- were the M/F roles reversed- it would still be prejudice. I am making that judgement based upon almost a decade of TNG monologues and diatribes about having evolved beyond prejudice... their own words condemn the reaction we see onscreen. IMHO, of course.
Not being prejudiced doesn't mean you have no sexual preferences. It's not like everyone turned pansexual thanks to the great human evolution, that has never been suggested.
First Contact is on right now, and its just been the scene in Engineering when the Queen asks Data whether he's familiar with physical forms of pleasure, to which he replies he is fully functional and programmed in multiple techniques.
Its just got me thinking, would that also cover same-sex relationships?
From what we've seen in the Trek universe to date? I'd say no.
In some ways, it's always been about avoiding having a gay character "just because" and because of that they have always found it really hard to find a way to portray non-heterosexuality in the show.
Despite being a heterosexual man, I'd welcome the addition of sexual variation into Star Trek - but only if it's done in a way in which non-heterosexualty is seen as being just as normal as heterosexuality. I mentioned in a previous thread about this subject one of the ways in which they could portray this:
What happens is you would take one character, male or female and they would be discussing the reunion they are about to have with their significant other with other characters, who aren't aware that the character had a partner (nor of the character's sexuality). The SO would have a gender neutral name such as Alex and when "Alex" enters the scene as a member of the same sex as their partner, the other characters wouldn't bat an eyelid and simply act as anyone would when meeting the partner of a friend.
Well, it's long past the point where having a gay character would be seen as doing it "just because," nor would it be seen as that big of a deal. At this point, they're so far behind this on Trek that the only way TO portray it would be to do so casually. They're not in a position to pat themselves on the back anymore.
It's like it's almost too late now. TV has changed so much that Trek has more to worry about surviving and what format it will take, than who to portray.
I don't think it's Trek's responsibility to portray same sex couples at all. But, considering Trek's claim of a really tolerant and open minded society in the future, it's reasonable to expect to see it. It gives comfort knowing that Trek is truly living up to ideals.
Cause if you don't see anything, then fans are inevitably going to joke, 'there are no gays at all' in Trek's society.
I'm heterosexual too, but like the other fans you can't help but notice the sheer absence of same sex couples, when theoretically, it should be easy to do it, if only for a second.
I suspect, that broadcast TV viewers have Trek (TPTB) in a vice grip. Every time they approach this idea, even in metaphor, there is angry mail.
It's not free the way a cable show is, and the way they can thumb their noses up at convention and show what they want--and get ratings.
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