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Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Caprica_Six, Sep 1, 2005.

  1. Peacemaker

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    Hmmm,

    So the Cylon Civil War is followed by a Colonial Rebellion. I'm guessing now that it's been "Earth or Bust" for so long now and it's turned out to be "Bust" anyway, Zarek decides to seize power once and for all, or maybe he's pressed into it by the Quorum.

    Well, we can scratch Billy off the list of possible Final Cylon suspects now and maybe Gaeta. It's not a guest star either, so that limits the field by eliminating Ellen and Romo Lampkin. That seems to narrow it down to Dualla, Boomer, Gaeta, and Cottle or a duplicate of another, regular Cylon or human character, which, speaking for myself, seems more unlikely than Boomer being the Final Cylon.

    Ground battle, eh...I'll bet it's either with the insurgent Colonials or more likely the other Cylons show up to take the planet. After all, why would the humans want it? The Cylons could possibly reclaim it. My guess here is that the rebel Cylons decide to ally themselves with humanity for the sake of everybody's survival and the other Cylons aren't too happy about it. The Cylons could reclaim Earth so humanity could live on it, which sounds like that's the "higher power's" intention anyway. I'll further guess that Cavil's Cylons turn up at some point in the Colonial rebellion and the humans swiftly have to come together to fight them off, and they determine that they need the rebel Cylons in order to survive.
     
  2. Wouter2

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    It's possible there is a rebellion within the colonials, but cautious, the Zarek as president thing may yet be a misinterpretation. It is certain though, that both Bill and Lee Adama will be in major trouble at some point, though why exactly, is unclear. Roslin's question "are you a Cylon" hints that it may be about that, that they believe Bill (and by extensions Lee, at least for 1/2) is also a Cylon, but this may be a red herring as the question and the execution in progress are not necessarily related.

    We have firefights both on the ground and on Galactica, apparently. Since the fleet will likely leave (BSG) Earth pretty soon (Eick said the living conditions would be appalling and the fleet would want to leave soon), the big ground fight may be over "New Earth", as the Patriot Resource is speculating. I expect Cavil and co to show up, there.

    Edit: some more interesting things here: http://tv.ign.com/articles/894/894082p1.html
    From the way it's described, Roslin's question may indeed be unrelated to the apparent execution. For all we know, the Cylons are going to execute him (or pretend to, or attempt to). Or Zarek does, possibly for some other reason.

    Also, D'Anna will have a talk with the hybrid. Next episode likely is her last, so must be from there.
     
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  3. Dorian Thompson

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    Lee may well be in trouble for giving amnesty to the rebel cylons. It fits. Coupled with the foul mood everyone will be in for having their hopes crushed about Earth, it's plausible that there would be backlash. They irradiated our worlds, forced us into space to survive, there is no inhabitable Earth, and you're giving them amnesty, Adama? Are you frakking kidding? I can imagine that factions amongst the colonials would resent Lee making that decision and, by extension, being angry at Bill for backing him up. If Earth had been lush and green and had people to welcome then, forgiveness (or at least tolerance) would have been easier to come by. Zarek exploiting such a situation is also extremely plausible.
     
  4. Wouter2

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    Indeed, especially because both Adamas have roughly shoved Zarek aside: Bill by utterly refusing to work with him, and Lee by basically naming himself (with his buddy Romo) over Zarek's rightful claim. And this after Zarek had helped Lee into the quorum. Guess there might be some revenge feelings, here ;)
     
  5. Peacemaker

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    Another possibility is that the Quorum, paranoid and insecure bunch they have proven to be starts wondering if Lee or Bill is the final Cylon after all, and that one or both of them has led them there to go to their doom.

    Also, Zarek may actually do what he does to try and give them a stable leader, somebody who can speak the voice of reason, knowing that if things are allowed to continue, disappointment will turn to panic, panic to anarchy, and anarchy will be the end of the human race. That could explain why he has the right motivation but no choice in the end.

    D'anna speaking to the hybrid indicates that, yet again, the hybrids know more than they let on. Does the Final Cylon or God speak through them after all? Does D'anna think that the hybrid is the Final Cylon? That'd be a totally unexpected twist. We know it sees into the space between life and death, and that's where the Five seem to exist. So, it stands to reason it knows who the final Cylon is. Maybe D'anna will admit that she only saw 4 faces and lied about seeing the Fifth, so she goes to the hybrid to learn who the last one is. I've got this feeling that D'anna will meet her end when the Final Cylon is revealed - either it will kill her to protect its identity, or she will be killed accidentally, perhaps in the exchange of gunfire we're hearing about.
     
  6. bigdaddy

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    They never said the ground battle would be on Earth, could be on a different planet, the Cylon Home World! :lol:

    The ground battle can't be on Earth, and it can't be with the other Cylons. If it were the other Cylons they would have just nuked the planet some more and killed everyone.....

    Which I hope is what happens.... :D
     
  7. Wouter2

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    There can be lots of ground battles on lots of different places (we already know there is fighting on both Galactica and on a planet's surface; probably not on the Earth seen in "Revelations" though.

    The Cylons would not necessarily just nuke a planet if the colonists landed on it; they might want it themselves, intact. There is a theory that remnants from the 13th tribe (according to "ask Ausiello", the name of that tribe was ... Cylon) may have fled to another planet, call it "New Earth". Both the colonials and Cavil and co could run into this possible planet.
     
  8. Wouter2

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    A kind soul at the Battlestar blog livejournal has posted an intriguing video about some of the cast and crew of BSG celebrating after filming their final scenes for the series: http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/1208951.html
    (there is a Sendspace link on that page, getting to download it may take some patience).

    Someone has also put up a few screencaptures from the video:
    -non-spoilery http://pics.livejournal.com/wisteria_/gallery/0007shr4
    -spoilery http://pics.livejournal.com/wisteria_/gallery/0007t22d

    There is a little footage of what are apparently scenes from the finale (a few times we see scenes being wrapped, the very last filming).
    Some things seem to stand out:
    -Gaeta, Zarek, Dualla and Tory are not seen in the footage, nor are their actors filmed on set or otherwise shown (it's of course possible they had wrapped their scenes earlier)
    -A few unexpected faces: Cally is back, in her "specialist" uniform even. She is shown quite a bit in the video, actually. Could be a flashback I suppose (if she is the final Cylon, I guess she just wouldn't go back to the hangar deck?). So is Ellen, and she seems to have a scene in what appears to be a stripclub - with Tigh and Adama in it! Probably also a flashback. Lastly, we have the actress who plays Kat on the set - though no actual scenes are shown.
    -The scene where Grace Park (very probably as Athena) and Tahmoh Penikett wrap is a bloody affair: Athena has a bloody hand, likely caused by Helo lying on the ground in blood. This scene plays on Galactica, and Helo has clearly been shot in what appears to be quite a major gunbattle (lots of heavily armed people in the video), so the finale seems to include fighting on Galactica itself. It looks like Helo is either gravely wounded or dead.
    -Both Head Six and Head Baltar seem to make an appearance
    -A Doral is shown, with a bloody face, aiming a gun aboard Galactica. Dean Stockwell (Cavil) is also shown a couple of times in the video, not sure if those are new scenes
    -There may have been a time jump, as there seems to be an older actress for Hera and Bamber's hairstyle seems to have changed dramatically
    -it also shows the scene with Roslin going in the water near the fountain (pictures of this had leaked before). Roslin is also shown in a Raptor.
     
  9. Dorian Thompson

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    Cally could be HEAD! Cally. I'm betting Ellen is a flashback.
     
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  11. Wouter2

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    That would really be going a bit overboard with the head characters, but since Tyrol is a Cylon now, I guess it's possible as a projection thing a la Tigh and Ellen.
     
  12. ialfan

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    Very interesting. Thanks for posting. It seems the only dead character who hasn't returned this season is Billy.
     
  13. Wouter2

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    There were actually plans to have Billy return in "The hub" - instead of Elosha - but the actor wasn't available. At the recent con, that actor also said that he would not return in S4.5. A pity, as it would have brought some closure for this forgotten character.
     
  14. Starwind

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    ^I think the scene worked better with Elosha anyway. I can't really imagine Billy giving that kind of advice.
     
  15. Harvey

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    It would have been nice to have seen Billy as one of the people on the shore in Roslin's lake vision, though. Oh, well. Not everything works out.
     
  16. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    As much as I liked Billy and the actor who played the character, the scenes did work well with Elosha especially since she always represented the spiritural for Laura.
     
  17. Dorian Thompson

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    Campbell wanted to leave and try other projects. I can respect that, but that doesn't mean I miss the character. Billy had no screen presence. Is it really such a loss if he isn't seen again? Elosha worked better in the scenes IMO.
     
  18. Peacemaker

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    I have to admit that when I saw it was Elosha I "squeed." I always liked her character, and, personally, I found her death more "shocking" than Billy's. Also, Billy died a skeptic. Elosha (or Not Elosha) said Laura helped her regain her faith, and she was Laura's spiritual advisor too, so I think it made more sense for her to be the spokesperson in Laura's vision. If the Virtual(s) are also manifestations of "God" then it would make sense for a priest/priestess to be it's manifestation.

    Also, in addition to the Virtuals all being people that the percipients "loved" in some way, if you notice, they all seem to have something else in common.

    Going with "love" let's first review:

    Baltar loved Six. His virtual has been (with one exception) Six.

    Six loved Baltar. Her virtual has been Baltar.

    So Baltar seeing himself shows that at that point, he loves himself.

    In the deleted scene from Maelstrom Starbuck confessed to Dream Leoben that she loves him. Her virtual later is Not Leoben.

    Laura saw Elosha, and Elosha was her beloved friend.

    Notice anything else:

    Six is the first to tell Baltar she believes in God in the mini. She talks about her faith to him. She is God's prophet.

    Baltar, is now God's prophet himself. He began as a skeptic, but Virtual Six has been leading him along the path, beginning in Season 1, culminating in him being a religious icon himself. So, when he sees himself, he's seeing God's prophet.

    Leoben is the Cylon who is spiritually "in tune." Starbuck saw "God's prophet."

    Elosha was a priestess. Laura saw "God's prophet."

    Now, if these are all the same entity...that could mean that it is God itself or, as it says, an "angel sent from God." I'm inclined to believe the former, not the latter.

    Also, did you notice that in Crossroads, as the trial is beginning, that's when the 4 start hearing the music in snippets. I wonder why. I don't think it was just the proximity to the Ionian Nebula. Rather I think it had something to do with the trial. The trial really set off Tigh so much that he started hearing the music. Tory blew up at the press eventually. Anders was already under stress over Starbuck's loss. Tyrol and Cally were having problems and the trial was being broadcast all over the fleet. Also, it's as the trial looms that Roslin and Athena (and presumably Six) start seeing the vision/projection of themselves and Hera. There's something about that trial that seems to me to trigger the Four to start recalling their identity. I think it was some sort of defining moment in their collective past, maybe the event after which they chose to bury their actual identities.

    Since Earth is a disaster, maybe what happened afterward is something like this:

    The Final Five sat in judgment on "God" because "God" caused a war, a religious war on Earth that resulted in this situation.

    Their verdict, however, was to acquit God. I wonder if the 4 ior some of them voted to acquit while the 5th didn't. That might explain a lot. If Dualla is the Fifth Cylon, it may also explain her anger at Lee for defending Baltar - she knew the verdict, because she had seen it happen before, or maybe the Fifth, like Adama was persuaded to acquit "God" and, over time, has come to regret it.

    And thus it makes me wonder if "God" isn't also leading the Colonials along the primrose path for some reason. If it caused the war and is trying to gain a following, maybe it's goal is to do what it did before.
     
  19. Wouter2

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    Elosha worked better for this particular, spiritual, scene, but Billy would have worked much better as a character Roslin was close to, compared to Tory. As some have said, Billy really should have been in the ferry scene, when Roslin was imagining about her death. He was close to her in a way no one else on the show was, except Adama. Him as a Cylon could have been interesting as well, allthough Tory as a Cylon is also interesting as it is, and Billy would almost certainly have taken a different path as Cylon. Tory was a bit of a blank slate so they could do more surprising things with her.
     
  20. Dorian Thompson

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    I hear what you're saying; I suppose the real problem for me is the actor. Paul Campbell just doesn't make me sit up and take notice like the other actors in the cast have.