Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Shat Happens, Jul 22, 2014.

  1. Marsden

    Marsden Commodore Commodore

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    Holy handjobs! Why would Saavik even need to have the possiblity of becoming pregnant? Really, a happy ending and Spock is fine.
     
  2. Kevman7987

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    Hmm. If Saavik and David were using the transporter to become a redshirt with two backs, David and Saavik may have had space-condoms in their supply bags and/or coat pockets. Saavik just used one she had on her to suit up little-Spock for EVA.:techman:
     
  3. T'Girl

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    Is that from a episode or movie?

    Or just another case of the people at MemoryAlpha making shit up out of thin air?

    :)
     
  4. Timo

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    Is what from an episode?

    The bit about medical help comes from dialogue with Deanna Troi in "The Emissary":

    Based on this, it seems that some species pairs can mate with medical help, while others can mate without, and yet others never can create offspring. (We can't tell whether humans and Betazoids require medical help, too, or whether Deanna's parents merely required the other sort of help to be compatible as individuals; might be both.)

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  5. 2takesfrakes

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    What? For real? I was always under the impression that MemoryAlpha was the Online Mecca for all things STAR TREK? Everything gone over with a fine-toothed comb. References checked ... and rechecked! Because I can't be bothered to purchase, much less read and have every page and paragraph memorized from whatever MAKING of STAR TREK books are out and around.
     
  6. austen_pierce

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    Beat me to it!

    Guys are always going too fast.
     
  7. Shat Happens

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    I just watched "Blood Fever" (voy) inspired by this topic and I only confirmed B'Ellana is HOT. Otherwise I have nothing to add to the thread.
     
  8. Lance

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    Sometimes I feel like I want to Ponn Farr and my gf wants to Ponn Farr too. Other times, I have to Ponn Farr all by myself.
     
  9. Commishsleer

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    On the surface I can't see why Spock is sterile while B'Elanna and K'Ehleyr produced children presumably without intervention.

    My own canon is maybe Spock, B'Elanna, Troi and K'Ehleyr require some medical intervention but then they were designed perfectly able to have children.
    This theory is to fit in the world of Star Trek existing canon where it is possible to mix species..
     
  10. Ithekro

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    On the topic of Saavik, Robin Curtis is nice looking and all, but Kirstie Alley had some really sexy hair back then.
     
  11. 2takesfrakes

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    Boy, you said it. Robin Curtis was pretty, but Kirstie Alley was sexy - and a better actress, as well.
     
  12. austen_pierce

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    I was so hung up on Kirstie Alley, it took me nearly a decade to realize how attractive Robin Curtis was in the role.
     
  13. Finn

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    Why, oh why are some people comparing Europeans having babies with Native Americans with Humans having babies with a green blooded alien :wtf:
     
  14. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

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    You have misunderstood. The comparison was Europeans/Native Americans (separated by thousands of years) were not separate species, so babies were no problem. The aliens in question were Vulcans and Romulans (separated by ~5000 years), so they are essentially the same species in the biological sense, therefore babies are also no problem.
     
  15. Ithekro

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    That depends just how much Human Spock has in him. In theory, the offspring of a mating of two different, though similar, species (Human and Vulcan) would result in an offspring that itself cannot produce children. Though this isn't always the case. it depends on the number of chromosomes in the two species being breed. If Humans and Vulcans both have 46 chromosomes, then the paring is more likely to produce fertile offspring. (Note that mules general cannot reproduce due to them having 63 chromosome, which generally prevents successful paring of the DNA to produce offspring. As far as I can tell, all male mules are sterile, but some females are fertile, but can only breed with horses or donkeys...not male mules. Though it is still rare. Documented 60 births in 475 years for mule would make it a rather rare thing.)

    The Romulan in Saavak wouldn't be the problem, but the Human in Spock might be an issue with the DNA. But it seems that Vulcan and Human DNA is similar enough to not only make offspring, but viable ones. This also seems to be the case for Klingons and Humans, as B'elanna was half human and half Klingon and was able to have a child with a human. It seems to be more difficult between Trill and Klingon though.
     
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    I have to stop you right there. There is no theory for human/extraterrestrial mating. None.

    For all we know, Trek medicine helped along Spock's conception, and the treatment that made him viable also made him fertile with both Vulcans and Humans. It would be totally up to the authors.
     
  17. Ithekro

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    We can only go by what we know. There are species that can interbreed on Earth, and it has been shown that various humanoid species can breed without too many problems. They even mention this near the end of Enterprise. There was no medical reason preventing a Human and Vulcan from breeding. None at all. The theory would be on if the offspring of that union could produce children. At that point we can only guess on if the number of chromosomes will line up for that offspring to be able to have children. Do we have a count on Vulcan chromosomes? Humans have 46.
     
  18. Timo

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    Humans and Vulcans have fundamentally different metabolism - one species uses iron for trapping oxygen in the blood, the other uses copper, and a fair deal of our metabolism is dedicated to constantly refreshing our supply of blood. So it's really a miracle that Spock can have anything human in him despite running on green blood.

    That's got very little to do with anything as subtle as genetic compatibility, chromosome pairs or whatnot. We could well assume that "with a fair amount of help", 24th century humans could successfully have offspring with horses or bats - they'd just be funny-looking humorses or huats; the functional problems would be minor. But having offspring with jellyfish would be physiologically easier than with Vulcans!

    For all we know, Spock is "human" in name only, having been imprinted with an appropriate amount of human biological characteristics despite being born almost 100% Vulcan, possibly out of a Vulcan womb (we never get a good look at his birth, not even in ST5:TFF - the mother's eartips are hidden by her hair :vulcan:).

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  19. Shat Happens

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    That's Flawless Logic if I ever saw it.
     
  20. Ithekro

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    Well horse have something like 64 chromosomes. Would make it difficult to make pairs with humans 46. Though Sable Antelope have 46 chromosomes, so research can be started there, if one desires.

    One thing is clear of the Star Trek humanoids...they all seem at least semi-related based on their physical appearance. At the least on the level of the genus homo.