Space Battleship Yamato 2199

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Lynn Minmay, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    I forgot about that - good point... The implications of that engagement had a very Babylon 5 Earth/Minbari War feel to it. Ironic, since I've always postulated that Crusade stole the whole "Earth has been contaminated by the Shadows" main plot and the Excalibur's WMG-like superweapon were all ripped from original Yamato to begin with. The circle of life continues... :lol:
     
  2. Mark_Nguyen

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    Well, the promise was made unilaterally by one person. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the hundred-plus military flag officers back home instantly overrode this order and started mass production of WMG-equipped ships, consequences be damned. And as such, they were damned by the consequences.

    That said, ANDROMEDA. Also my feelings summed up in one word. :)

    Mark
     
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    Well, I think the scene of the first Earth/Gamila ship contact was to show the audience that Captain Akita wasn't an aggressor by nature, as he WAS given the order to open fire by his superiors and he refused - and he was then relieved and one of the junior officers on the Bridge of his ship ultimately followed the order as he stood there.

    That said, they never did say why Akita wasn't court-martialed out of the service, but maybe the Admiralty ultimately felt he was right to refuse and let the refusal slide. (Again, the audience knows because they are seeing exactly what the 'other side' is - especially Dessler); but their may have been some in the Admiralty that ultimately believed the situation wouldn't have been as bad had the EDF not fired first.
     
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    Holy crap, I didn't even notice that connection.

    Knowing nothing about the Yamato sequels, I assume humanity recovers fast enough to be able to start building fleets? How did they get into a fight with the Comet empire?
     
  5. 137th Gebirg

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    ^^^ This is kind of spoilery, so...
    Yes, they build a respectable fleet in a very short amount of time. Yamato is mothballed and the crew is scattered throughout the new fleet or retired. Earth gets a warning from Trelena of Telezart (those are the English names - can't remember the Japanese equivalent) about a large White Comet heading their way and they should be ready for it. IIRC, the EDF has become quite complacent and overconfident in their technology. Another interesting similarity/rip between Yamato and a later franchise is the backstory of the Excelsior in Star Trek III. Enterprise is mothballed in favor of the next-gen starship, highly automated and "soulless". When Yamato's crew decides to mutiny and leave for Telezart against orders, the break-out scene is reminiscent of the "Stealing the Enterprise" scene, complete with the new ship (Andromeda/Excelsior) being sent to stop them, which of course, winds up not happening. Although Captain Gideon/Hijikata was far more noble and honorable about it than Styles was. Japanese vs. American sensibilities at play there... Anyway, Yamato goes to Telezart around the same time the Comet Empire shows up and a big battle ensues, which Yamato loses but gets away - barely. Eventually, the C.E. makes it to earth and wipes out the entire EDF after being hit with every single WMG in their arsenal simultaneously and not even breaking a sweat over it. It pokes a big hole in what's left of Desslar's Gamilon fleet as well, who become allies of Earth because of this. Won't ruin the rest of it for you, but this should answer how Earth got into that fight. More like Yamato got into the fight and brought the Earth along for the ride! :lol: It's honestly been almost a decade since I watched it, so my details are a little shaky, but that's the general gist of it.

    It also shows how deeply Yamato's story informed later science fiction shows and films over the years. It was said that George Lucas even spent time over in Japan before writing his first treatment of "A New Hope" to get an idea of how eastern philosophies and storytelling worked, hence the Jedi being very much like spiritual Samurai warrior priests - and it doesn't hurt that R2-D2 is almost a complete rip of IQ-9/Analyzer. :D
     
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    That is almost right. A little off on the motivations of the Comet Empire.

    The Comet Empire had been observing the war between Earth and Gamilas. The Comet Empire itself is a wondering city-state with a ruler that believes it is his duty to rule the universe, because who else will? They pick up Dessler and via him and the knowledge that Earth (Yamato actually) defeated Gamilas, the Comet Empire decides to conquer Earth followed by the Milky Way Galaxy. They are already on their way to Earth from the Andromeda Galaxy, and have ships in the outer reaches of the Solar System at the beginning of the series. Attacking dwarf planets beyond Pluto. Yamato, on escort duty between Saturn and Earth, is attacked by Comet fighters in the first episode.

    A new version of this series will likely have a new motivation for the Comet Empire's invasion of Earth. They might even change the plot around and have it be an invasion of Gamilas, with Yamato coming to the aid of Iscandar.

    Or the survivors of the expedition in Ark of the Stars report back about the Earth ship that let Sabera's (Invidia's) prize get away. She could bend the ear of the Emperor and get her revenge. Depending on just how much the Comet Empire's forces have penetrated past Gamilas forces.
     
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    Woo hoo!!!
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    In other news (old), we're quickly approaching the one-year mark (August 27) that Starblazers.com abruptly shut down its DVD & BluRay store and hasn't done a single update since. Very sad. I guess they're just waiting for the domain name to expire now (2018). :(
     
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  10. 137th Gebirg

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    Especially the ANDROMEDA!
     
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    Given the quality of their recent work such as with GITS Arise and Psycho-Pass 2, it seems more like another desperate cash grab.
     
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    While this video is fan-made, it does present some interesting ideas for the next series, which should start coming out late next year.

    A protected Yamato 2205:

    http://nicoviewer.net/sm27039509
     
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    It probably means closer to the Books/Manga design wise than the Anime. Kind of like what happened with the Golden Wings movie.
     
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    Apparently they are redoing the manga too.
     
  17. 137th Gebirg

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    I know it's been a while, but since this is the only semi-active and ongoing thread about Yamato, I thought it appropriate to resurrect.

    New interview with Nishizaki Jr. posted on ourstarblazers.com where he discusses Ark of Stars aftermath, the new series 2 currently under production, the new characters, the new ships (ANDROMEDA!), the dilemmas (WMG usage) and apparently the Hollywood live-action version of Star Blazers is still in the works and is being written by Chris McQuarrie of MI: Rogue Nation fame. I must say I'm not looking forward to the latter, especially considering its dodgy history of white-washing the franchise and renaming the titular vessel, which I think would be a great insult to the memories of both Yamato and Arizona. Really hoping McQuarrie won't screw this one up.

    Anyways, lots of things happening in Yamato-land. Glad to see they're still hopping and that Series 1 and AoS were successful enough to keep it going.
     
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    Wow. They are going ahead with the U.S. Live action film and calling it the Arizona, eh? I realize it's a touchy subject 70+ years later; but do the Japanese rename the USS Enterprise in Star Trek to some Japanese carrier when they sub or dub Star Trek into Japanese? If a U.S. production company (is Disney Studios still involved) wants to do a live action film based on the Japanese story; you'd think they'd at least respect that - and IF they felt using Yamato as the ship name is going to be an issue or somehow insult U.S. WWII veterans who are still alive - then DON'T make the film.
     
  19. 137th Gebirg

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    Not quite - the original version of the script from almost two decades ago (originally shopped by Disney) renamed the Yamato the Arizona and toned down the intentionally international nature of the crew.

    I actually have no idea what McQuarrie's intentions are for this new one, as nothing really gets into details in the article, only that it's being written right now and that I hope he won't take the Disney path and water down its multicultural soul. Nishizaki (with Supervising Producer Hirotaka Furukawa) did say that McQuarrie came out to visit him and talk about his Yamato project. Specific quote:
    Skydance bought the rights back in 2011, I'm assuming from Disney, so it shouldn't theoretically be burdened by the idiocy of he past and that the central players of the original Japanese version are enthusiastic about its prospects. I'm thinking/hoping that all these things are a very good sign, in that he will preserve more of what Yamato truly is than what Western audiences might expect it to be. Which probably means it will fail, but I don't care. It will have a place of honor in my vast Yamato collection either way.
     
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  20. Hartzilla2007

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    Is it really fair to say the Yamato crew is international if they're all from Japan?