Someone who enjoyed Star Trek XI

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by G2309, Nov 23, 2010.

  1. Ghostsoldier

    Ghostsoldier Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I enjoyed the hell out of it....so I took it for what it was: a rollicking, kick in the ass, good time at the movies, with a little Trek provenance thrown in, for good measure. :)

    I'm old (and wise) enough to realize it can't be all things to all fans -- especially to a lot of fanboys who tend to lend it a credence of reality, and try to justify it's logical place in Trekdom, as if any of this were somehow real, and not science fiction, for Christ's sake. :rolleyes:

    It is what it is, and stands on it's own. ;)

    Rob
     
  2. Keeper

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    I remember we decided to go check it out in IMAX before it was too late. We expected the crowds to have thinned by then but were floored when we walked into the auditorium and it was full to the brim! We had to choose; trade in our tickets for another time or sit down front. We went for it and had such a blast!
     
  3. Admiral Buzzkill

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    This is a joke, intentional or otherwise.
     
  4. ST-One

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    Both are good pieces of music, though.
    As a theme "Enterprising Young Men" beats the slow, dark (but fitting) TDM-machine music by a longshot.
     
  5. -Brett-

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    If Berman had made it, it probably would have been as dull and bland as most Star Trek made under his watch.

    In that sense you're probably right. If the same plot, cast, and characterization had been done with Berman Trek dialogue, cinematography and action sequences, it would have been a failure.
     
  6. Temis the Vorta

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    Nah. Not enough people know or care who "Rick Berman" is for it to have any real financial impact. As for critical effect, maybe some, but nobody gives a frak about the critics anyway.
     
  7. G2309

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    I disagree people might not know the name. But Berman would have made a movie that was hated by both fans and non fans. People listen to the critics and a big part of the movies sucess was how positively it was reviewed. People thought this would actually be exciting trek and lots of people liked it who normally hate trek.
     
  8. G2309

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    "Something different?" You do realize that an orbital skydiving scene was planned for Generations, and that we actually do see orbital skydiving in an episode of Voyager?

    but it never made the film and was really pointleess and dull anyway i saw the deleted scene. Even if the visuals were there the dialouge wasnt worth it.
    The only time i can think in voyager was when bellana was suicidal and it was a holodeck anyway.

    So yeah it is sometrhing different its not been done properly and with excitement.
     
  9. Admiral Buzzkill

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    I'm convinced that if Shakespeare's "Tragedy Of Julius Caesar" had been originally published in Penthouse in 1983 it wouldn't be taken as seriously by academes nor hold the place in the history of English literature that it does.

    This supposition is fully as sensible, realistic and relevant as yours.
     
  10. BillJ

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    This is the TrekBBS. Things are only sensible, realistic and relevant by accident. :techman:
     
  11. Captain Mike

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    LN turned down the role in Generations due to not having any input or creative control (something he has stated in interviews of portraying the character in the story) ) was a major reason for doing so.
    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy

    I never needed a reason or excuse of why the Big E was the only ship in range, or the quadrant even. It fit the story at the time. In the TOS era Kirk stated in "Tomorrow is Yesterday" that there are only 12 Constitution Class ships in Starfleet at that time.And my isn't the galaxy a big place even in that time? :rolleyes:

    Along with many others that liked the movie that is the opinion. I like a little technobabble.

    There shouldn't be a "sense of danger" to an very important piece of equipment that is used every day.

    Too bad they didn't feel like that to me. more is spent on the minor characters and "dumbing" them down" or "sexing them up" that didn't appeal to me.

    I felt disconnected to the soundtrack,..Why? I guess I didn't get connected to the characters as stated above.

    Great in the sense that there was too much IMO.

    Again his own opinion. Sitting in the theater on opening day waiting to see the "refit" was exciting. Hell I knew the ship was going to be different (not that it was a "drastic" new ship and I was only 12.This new ship, and yes that is what it is,...could have a design that stuck with the original one.

    No they do not,...it looks like something Aquaman would wear.

    I thoroughly enjoyed every "funny" line in the TNG movies.

    And just what is wrong with classical music or jazz? Although I don't listen to it everyday I don't think there is nothing wrong with it in Star Trek. It's the characters hobbies is all I think. Now on the Beastie Boys never liked them probably never will.... :barf2:

    There have been good time travel stories in Trek and there have been bad. There could have been a better plot on just WHY it happened is my opinion.

    I can name more although if I thought about it I can come up with more than 3:
    1.The "E" and the Reliant engaging each other in the Mutara Nebula (and those were a lot more shots than that one...;)
    2. The Enterprise-E first engaging the Cube in FC.
    3. The same in the "Briar Patch" battle (even with the "joystick...;) ) in INS.

    I could tell the are fond of Trek but not really fans.
    Again his opinion. I too grew up with Trek but did not feel like that. And what was wrong with Picards "cowboy diplomacy" in the TNG films?
     
  12. G2309

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    I love classical music and jazz i just found it ridiculous how it was only music characters listened to on other trek show. I dnt mind the only ship thing as long as the threats not heading toward the centre of the federation which needs protecting.
     
  13. Devon

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    I agree. I think part of that had to do with the "Utopian Society" crap and that the producers or whomever made these decisions felt that other forms of music were not appropriate for Star Trek and it's "Holier than Thou" attitude of TNG and onwards. I'm surprised someone wasn't fired for allowing a guitar to be seen in "The Neutral Zone." I never got that feeling from TOS or its movies, though.
     
  14. Ryan8bit

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    I think it was less of a "holier than thou attitude" and more of a "will this seem dated in a few years attitude." They probably wanted to avoid pop culture to avoid any ridiculousness like "The Way to Eden." They were playing it a little bit too safe though. It wouldn't have hurt to throw in something like a little Jimi Hendrix (and not as something just experienced through time travel like in "Past Tense").

    I think it was fine to put "Sabotage" into the movie because it has a classic potential. It was also 15 years old at the time, so if it still worked and wasn't frowned upon (like disco would have been for TNG), why not use it? Will it be popular in 250 years? That's hard to imagine, but it's possible.
     
  15. Ssosmcin

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    It was a fun film. I like it well enough and look forward to more in the series.

    In what way? They were actually more akin to the TNG uniforms; skintight, possibly one-piece, with the same lines along the collarbone and shoulder. The producers actually said they wanted the Kelvin time period to seem more like "50's sci-fi" rather than anything Trek related.

    Actually, I found that to be something that made NO logical sense and wouldn't make any significant positive impact on any of the other series if done this way. Granted, the "heart" of the ship where the command staff is located shouldn't be at the very top of the saucer where it is easy pickings even in regular Trek. But at least it's shielded all around but the thickness of the hull. Having the glass window just made them even more vulnerable. Once the shields fail, one decent shot from an enemy could shatter that glass and blow everyone out into space. At the climax of the film, the gravity well was cracking it, illustrating what a bad design move that was. It just compounds an already bad design choice.

    Watching the Kelvin bridge bathed in bright starlight until Robau polarizes the viewscreen is another thing. Everyone's gotta turn away or squint or wear sunglasses until the captain authorizes use of the glare shield? Just seems weird to me.

    Discounting personal preference, theirs is really no way you can describe Sol Kaplan's Doomsday Machine score as "slow, dark." It has quieter pieces, like the 2009 score did, but it was also legendary for being loud and frequently exciting. Whether or not you like one more than the other is another matter.
     
  16. BillJ

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    Which is what happened to the Enterprise in Star Trek: Nemesis, except there was no window. :shifty:
     
  17. Crazy Eddie

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    It also happened in Wrath of Khan, when Enterprise tore a chunk out of Reliant's bridge and killed Khan's mini-me. The moral of the story is, don't get hit with shields down.
     
  18. ST-One

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    Someone should have told Jefferies and Probert that too...
     
  19. Ssosmcin

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    No saucer outside from that view either. The 2009 movie got that 100% right.

    Anyway, just having cracks along the glass as they fought the gravity well is a pretty good indication that "glass unsafe." The glass would rupture a lot sooner than a hull or double hull.

    On the other hand, it's a movie and it ain't gonna happen unless it's necessary to the plot. :-)
     
  20. kkozoriz1

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    Forget about the shields. Just aim a visible light laser at the middle of the window and punch a hole right through the captain.