So which planet did Starbuck....? *SPOILERS*

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Gep Malakai, Mar 28, 2009.

  1. roliver

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    The same silly reason that the Colonials decided to call their robot creations "cylons." It doesn't make sense. It just is.
     
  2. Gep Malakai

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    Tide pools.
     
  3. Koinek

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    :mad: *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*
     
  4. Brutal Strudel

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    Thank you, Noah Cross. ;)
     
  5. RoJoHen

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    Starbuck's body and viper appearing on Earth 1 doesn't make much sense in general considering she blew up in "Maelstrom." What's even weirder is how decayed her body was. I'm perfectly okay with all the crazy "What is Starbuck?" stuff and leaving it mysterious, but this is one point that bugs me.
     
  6. Dark Gilligan

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    Has anyone considered the possibility that both were the same planet, separated not by light-years but thousands of millennia? What if the Watchtower coordinates transported the fleet through a fold in time as well as space?

    Say Earth-1 (Old Earth) was decimated in a catastrophe so total that its very face was altered. Humans flee to Kobol. Thousands of years pass and the 13th tribe returns to Earth, now healed and able to support life again. More time passes and the planet is nuked just as the Final Five get away.

    2,000 years years later, the events of BSG transpire. Starbuck uses the Watchtower coordinates which transport the fleet through a fold in space-time, arriving at Earth-2 (Young Earth) 150,000 years in the past. Starbuck herself has already travelled through time unknowingly and beheld Young Earth before returning to the fleet. The contours of the continents and even the position of the stars in the sky are different fom what were observed on Old Earth. Nautrally the Colonials have no idea they've travelled through time and believe the Earths are two different worlds. Genetic compatibility would suggest otherwise though.
     
  7. David cgc

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    I actually did think they might've been sent back in time, but the fact that the Fleet could follow them put the lie to that.
     
  8. Yoda

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    I'm with you on this. So she has one exploded Viper in the Maelstrom planet's atmosphere... one crashed Viper on Earth 1 with her dead body, and a third resurrected Viper that she rejoined the fleet with. Uhh. ok.
     
  9. Dark Gilligan

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    The fleet used the same jump coordinates as Galactica, given to them by the recon raptor. It would have sent them through the same fold in space-time. In all their travels, the Colonials found only two planets marginally capable of supporting life: New Caprica and the algae planet. So out of the blue they find a planet where the native life is a perfect genetic match to themselves? Naw, it's the same place.
     
  10. Yoda

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    Hokey Trek time travel shenanigans are one thing Galactica successfully avoided. They did not travel through time. There is nothing about that theory that remotely makes sense.
     
  11. Dark Gilligan

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    ^^ The circular nature of time travel is the only thing that actually does make sense. Everything has happened before and it will happen again.
     
  12. Gep Malakai

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    So how'd the recon Raptor travel forward in time thousands of years to find the fleet?

    Plus Word of God from the producers says that the jump coordinates Kara entered were a direction, altitude and distance from the black hole. They'd only get the fleet to Earth using those coordinates if that's where they were when they jumped.

    Oh, and Head!Six and Head!Baltar at the end pretty much confirmed there were two Earths. So...
     
  13. Dark Gilligan

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    Details, details... What do they know? ;)
     
  14. DontFeedPhil

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    What if the reason they could only get to the new (good) earth from near the black hole was that somehow they jumped thru the black hole and either traveled back in time or to a parralell universe where Earth was not nuked?
    Huh?
     
  15. David cgc

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    The fact that they were able to send a raptor to the rendezvous point and the Fleet could follow it back to Earth 2 pretty much rules out any exotic theories about time travel or black holes. It's entirely possible that, given more time, they would've eventually located Earth 2 on their planet-hunting expeditions. It's an open question about whether the Fleet would've lasted that long, though.
     
  16. QCzar

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    And this is the essential element I believe to why the sequence of events, including Kara's role in them, needed to unfold as they did. Food shortages, a mutiny, having to abandon Galactica, being pursued by Cavil. For all these reasons, what Kara did needed to happen exactly (more or less) when it happened in exactly the way it happened (at the destruction of the Cylon colony). Yes, there are some missing answers concerning what she was, but there can be little doubt that she did have a destiny.

    I think part of answering the OP's question hinges on whether you as a viewer have interpreted the events of the finale to suggest the presence of a real, dualistic, supernatural God, or that "he doesn't like that name" is actually some kind of technological entity (from something as simple as Ardra [TNG - "Devil's Due"], to something more akin to the Ancients from Stargate SG1). If you believe that Kara is part of a supernatural God's plan, then no logical explanation needs to be provided.

    Otherwise the floor is open to virtually endless speculation, which is probably how Moore chose to leave it.
     
  17. Rob Grant

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    agreed. does anyone further agree?
     
  18. Checkmate

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    I always thought it was silly because our planet doesn't even really have a name. We call it Earth simply because that's what it is -- earth. It's not fire, wind or water; it's earth. And I've always found that embarrassing. It makes us sound little better than simple-minded primates.

    The closest we have to a real name for it is Gaia/Terra, and that comes from a goddess. Which fits in with the planetary themes. But we can't even really use that because Gaia is already used for something else in the solar system (a crater) and terra/terrae are used as a term for land masses on other bodies.

    And while I really liked the ideas behind the finale for BSG (and for me, it is BSG; it deserves the title more than the old series does), the assumptions the writers would have us make -- that they really spoke English, that those were really their names, and that all of their technology and culture were so similiar to current life -- is absurd. It would have been better if they never said anything about it and we were left to assume that is was artistic license or something.
     
  19. David cgc

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    Well, if you prefer, you can always assume that the show has been redubbed for english-speaking terran audiences from the original Kobollian dialogue and writing, and they decided to translate the name of the thirteenth colony as "Earth" since they gave the same name to the planet on which they landed, and the terran english-speakers call that second planet "Earth."
     
  20. SinglePurpose

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    I'm just going to quote Arthur C. Clarke.

    "How inappropriate to call this planet earth when it is quite clearly Ocean."
    -Arthur C. Clarke
     

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