So, lets talk "Blade Runner" ....

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  1. Set Harth

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    That makes sense. For some reason I thought it was Tyrell's secret room.
     
  2. Deckerd

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    Yes. I really am that slow.
     
  3. Reverend

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    Actually I'm pretty sure it is. If memory serves the shots were just edited together in such a way to give that impression.
     
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    I'm conducting tests on the Deckerd Machine's residual self image. I suggest you don't get involved.
     
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    hmmm...always thought the Unicorn scene was a(n) "...I know, but I am not gonna tell on you..." kind of thing...maybe I should watch it again...
     
  6. Tosk

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    No, it's the elevator set. Same elevator that Batty and Sebastian took to the top.
     
  7. Deckerd

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    I always dismissed it as tenuous because Gaff would never be in on something that secret. Bryant clearly had no idea and he was Gaff's superior. The 'Director's Cut' was a money making exercise with a random video clip or two thrown in to make everyone think it was a new film. I love Ridley Scott's early work but he was more cynical about BR than any director about any masterpiece since films started to be made. If they didn't like the voiceover then it was a simple matter to release the film without the voiceover. If he didn't like the upbeat ending it was a simple matter to cut it. The cinematic release was a fine film and whether or not they hated the voiceover, Scott and Ford did a very good job of it because they're both professionals.
     
  8. Tosk

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    I'm the same, I don't accept the idea that "the FInal Cut makes it clear he's a Replicant"

    For me, the unicorn is a coincidence that hits home for Deckard. It gives him pause, a moment to think about it all. How would you know if you weren't human?

    But the fact there is material there to imply myriad possibilities. ..that each viewer chooses for themself, and that there really is no "correct" answer...that's what I love about Blade Runner.
     
  9. Set Harth

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    Do we really know that for certain?
     
  10. Deckerd

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    Bryant was a bigoted bully. He would never have been able to resist taunting Deckard if he had known he was a 'sleeper' skinjob.
     
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    I don't think Deckard was a replicant, why would they have those in a unit that is supposed to hunt them down?

    I like the ambiguity, but I really don't think it would be logical. And the Unicorn dream is really pointless. In my opinion, of course, I don't want to desparage any who like it.

    Of course, shooting holes in my own opinion, that could be why Gaff is shadowing him constantly. Maybe Gaff is really more of a boss than Bryant even. But that's the kind of strange thinking that has people seeing conspiracies everywhere.


    My take away is, I need to watch this again, it's been too long. I liked with the narration and without.
     
  12. Set Harth

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    "Fight fire with fire"?
     
  13. JeffinOakland

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    "How can it not know what it is?" -Decker

    I think its the most important and most unintentionally revealing line in the movie. Great movie. A desert island pick.
     
  14. Tosk

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    Bryant isn't really a bigot in the Final Cut though. The voice-over material from the theatrical cut doesn't count.

    For me, part of the illogic of Deckard being a replicant is that he'd have to be either Nexus 5 or 6, right? If he's a 5, then he'd have no emotional responses, and if he's a 6 why is he so incapable of taking down other replicants? The only ones he actually retires were both unarmed women...one of whom he shoots in the back.
     
  15. JeffinOakland

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    In fact, all 4 of them get the drop on him and could have killed him. He's actually a pretty crummy private eye/Blade Runner even though he's told he's the best by an untrustworthy source. He may not "act" like a replicant because he thinks he's human.
     
  16. Tosk

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    That's right. Zhora only stopped from killing him due to other people coming in, and Pris was basically just playing with him. All the replicants except for Zhora seem to have a "cat with a mouse" attitude towards Deckard.

    I do think he's a pretty good detective. He found clues, investigated, interviewed...he found two of the replicants, and was in the right place to be found by the other two. ;)

    So what would be the point of a replicant Blade Runner that thinks it is human and isn't particularly great at their job?

    ...And if Deckard is a replicant, is Holden too? Is every Blade Runner a replicant? If not, why not?

    It's that kind of thinking that makes the Deckard=human angle seem more plausible to me.
     
  17. Gov Kodos

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    If Earth's environment is dying, and the human race with it as per the book, the goal of replicants who think they are human could be to create replicants of the better folks like Tyrel and family who can survive the harsher environment of Earth as well as space. Hunting replicants could be a cover for part of that purpose rather than the goal.
     
  18. JeffinOakland

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    Maybe his boss sees him as disposable. One way or another, one less "skin job". I dunno. I prefer to think of him as a replicant who doesn't know he's a replicant. I can't prove it, of course, I just think that's what Scott and Ford were getting at. '"More real than real."
     
  19. Tosk

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    Scott nowadays says that Deckard is a replicant, Ford says absolutely not.

    Even the people responsible can't decide for sure. :)
     
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    Coy bastards :devil:
     

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