So, is each movie someone's top favorite?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by TV's Frank, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. martok2112

    martok2112 Commodore Commodore

    Oct 8, 2013
    No, it simply takes independent thought and opinion. An advantage I have to not being a fan of anything. I do not adhere to fan-dogma when it comes to "which is the best/worst". :)

    I have listed my reasons in other threads as to why Nemesis is my favorite TNG film, despite the fact that I know it is a highly flawed film.
  2. Vger23

    Vger23 Captain Captain

    Apr 19, 2014
    New England
    Here's a different spin on "the list"...with the amount of space between each movie representing how far away it is from the pervious film.

    1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
    2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

    3. Star Trek: The Motion Picture

    4. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

    5. Star Trek 2009

    6. Star Trek: First Contact
    7. Star Trek Into Darkness

    8. Star Trek: Nemesis

    9. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

    10. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

    11. Star Trek: Generations

    12. Star Trek: Insurrection
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2014
  3. Vger23

    Vger23 Captain Captain

    Apr 19, 2014
    New England
    I tend to agree. There are times I find Nemesis almost on-par with First Contact from a TNG perspective (and perhaps better). As you least it feels like a movie.
  4. martok2112

    martok2112 Commodore Commodore

    Oct 8, 2013
  5. T'Girl

    T'Girl Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 20, 2009
    For TOS it's The Wraith of Khan.

    For TNG it's was First Contact for years, but there was a slow slide over to Insurrection. INS has a more complex underlying story than any of the other movies, yes the execution was flawed, but the story is still there.

  6. wulfio

    wulfio Captain Captain

    Jun 29, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    my main gripe with Nemesis isn't the typical argument. It's the utilization of this magical unstoppable enemy. It's the same thing that bugs me about Abrams Trek.

    I feel using plot devices like this signifies a lack of creative story telling, and the inability to create drama with a well thought out climax.

    They stepped outside the established lore of the star trek universe, to create a cheap summer blockbuster type villain. Now if you're going to create a new unknown threat, fine. But why make it this subculture of Romulans that we've apparently never heard of about, from what, 24 previous seasons of Star Trek belonging to one of the staples of the Alpha Quadrant?

    These 2 points really made me dislike the movie more so than the whole Data and B4 thing.

    I also find it a bit presumptuous to make a blanket statement about people who dislike this movie. Your retort of "everyone that likes it are sheep" is about as valid as the comment "that movie sucks". If you're going to claim to be a deep thinker, at least put together a well thought out argument.
  7. M.A.C.O.

    M.A.C.O. Commodore Commodore

    Sep 13, 2011
    Tops for me
    TNG: FC - NEM
    Abrams: ST09
  8. martok2112

    martok2112 Commodore Commodore

    Oct 8, 2013
    Will you have a warnog, chech'luth, bloodwine, or Romulan Ale? 'Cause I'm buyin'! :techman:
  9. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

    Aug 23, 2001
    Land of Enchantment
    Name one Star Trek film that didn't rely on some form of wizardry, technical alchemy, or dubious celestial power of some sort.

    V'ger, Genesis, The Whale Probe, Center of a Milky Way Tootsie Pop God, Super Fancy Cloaking Device, The Nexus, Borg Timewarp, Fountain of Youth particles? It's all magic.

    As far as the baddies themselves I would classify V'ger, Khan armed with Genesis, The Probe, "God" and The Borg all as pretty unstoppable.

    There are plenty of human subcultures that were never referenced in the 24 previous seasons of Star Trek either. That doesn't mean they don't exist.
  10. King Bob

    King Bob Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 30, 2001

    If you can't add anything to already created aliens, then they all come off as pretty one-note. A huge problem in the Star Trek universe. I liked the Remans. Even if I didn't, I'd still give the writers points for trying to expand on a known alien culture.
  11. Use of Time

    Use of Time Commodore Commodore

    Jul 25, 2012
    Va. Beach, VA
    I might actually go with Generations as my favorite. I got into Star Trek around early 1993 and got hooked on TNG enough to be pretty excited for the movie when it came out. Granted I look at it through the lens of nostalgia over substance as it definitely has its issues. Meh, either Generatons or TWOK though I do love watching TMP late at night with the lights off. Love the extended tour of the Enterprise that Scotty gives Kirk.
  12. Greg Cox

    Greg Cox Admiral Premium Member

    May 12, 2004
    Oxford, PA
    Okay, I'll play . . . again.

    The Wrath of Khan
    The Undiscovered Country
    The Voyage Home
    Star Trek (2009)
    First Contact
    The Search for Spock
    Into Darkness
    The Motion Picture
    The Final Frontier

    Disclaimer: Nemesis vs Insurrection is pretty much a toss-up. I've never bothered to see either of them more than once, so I can't really make any fine distinctions there.
  13. 22 Stars

    22 Stars Commodore Commodore

    Nov 25, 2001
    Ok here is mine;

    2 TWOK
    3 SFS
    4 TVH
    6 TUC
    1 TMP
    11 2009
    8 FC
    7 GEN
    12 STID
    9 INS
    10 NEM
    5 TFF
  14. VST

    VST Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jul 26, 2014
    Earth Spacedock
    Everyone finds different things to love about these films (yes, even Final Frontier!) and that's fair game if you ask me.

    For the record, mine will always always be Wrath of Khan.
  15. Cyke101

    Cyke101 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Feb 11, 2007
    I kinda see what Wulfio's getting at, maybe because it happens in so many other movies aside from JJTrek in this day and age, I think. To me, the Scimitar, the Narada, and the Vengeance all share the similarity of being not just unstoppable, but downright vicious and relentless to the point of removing tension because it just guarantees that the heroes will seek a different route. And in each case, each of them held the key to their own destruction (thalaron radiation, red matter, Khan himself).

    It's quite different than V'Ger or the Whale Probe, who were destructive but operating on a different plane altogether and were perhaps unaware of the damage, so a straight up confrontation was never an option to begin with. And "God" was just outright destroyed with good ol' fashioned firepower, same as Chang. The Son'a were largely held at bay at the end.

    Ironically, one of the most directly unstoppable ships we've seen -- a Borg Cube -- was stopped fairly early in FC. I suspect that had it been just the Cube vs. the Enterprise, that it would feel like the Scimitar or Vengeance again; but thankfully, the rest of Starfleet was there to soften it up for the killing blow.
  16. wulfio

    wulfio Captain Captain

    Jun 29, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    couldn't have said it better myself cyke.

    You'd have to know me to understand why I used the word magical. Perhaps it was poor choice of wording on an internet forum. It was a contemptuous adjective. I just mean the unbeatable overpowered ship/enemy plot device where the good guys have to luck themselves in to winning the war/battle. It irks me to no end. It's not limited to star trek. It's found in many different sci-fi's, and I enjoy them no more than I do nemesis or abrams trek. It's the kind of scenarios you think up when you're playing with your ninja turtles/gi joes/transformers when you're 6 you know?

    The borg is another example, and was over the borg after best of both worlds 2 parter. FC however does not fit the mold because the cube was destroyed in the opening act, and the story didn't center around it.
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2014
  17. HalloweenKnight

    HalloweenKnight Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 24, 2014
    Favorite TOS movies:
    - The Voyage Home
    - The Undiscovered Country

    Favorite TNG movie:
    - Insurrection
  18. Pumpkin Spice Everything

    Pumpkin Spice Everything Badass Admiral

    Nov 26, 2008
    It's pretty close, actually. It certainly is one of my three favorite movies.
  19. Disco

    Disco Commodore Commodore

    Jul 24, 2014
    Into Darkness is my favourite.

    Also while I enjoy TWOK I can't understand why it's rated so highly. Khan was not in my opinion a challenge tactically to Kirk.

    I much more enjoy the depth of Abramverse Khan.
  20. Cyke101

    Cyke101 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Feb 11, 2007
    Well, everyone is entitled to TWOK and that's fine and dandy, but Khan nearly disabled/destroyed the Enterprise in its first encounter and trapped Kirk and the Away Team on a seemingly dead planet. Kirk's experience saved them both times, so I'd say Khan's a challenge.