So I started with this show...

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Flying Spaghetti Monster, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. The Stig

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    It was filmed in a documentary style, so the idea was that the camera operator had to scramble to find the frame and track the action because he didn't know what would happen next. I think it worked fairly well, particularly in the effects shots.

    Well that's simply wrong. Olmos and Mcdonell gave shockingly raw performances that ran the entire gamut of human emotion. I can only assume that you didn't watch the show if that's your opinion on their performances.

    Not so much, no. Off the top of my head, I'd point to the confession scene between Starbuck and Adama in 'You Can't Go Home Again' as a prime example of just how much EJO can do with his eyes.

    Scot Glen was good in 'Red October,' but I wouldn't put him in the same league as EJO.

    :wtf: The original show featured the same Viper with the same afterburner trail over and over and over again. At least nuBSG gave lip service to the concept of zero-g flight. As for Starbuck writing her name on the Raider, how else should she try to identify herself?
     
  2. DalekJim

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    I dislike JJ Abrams' shaky lens-flare wankery style too but the battles in NuBSG are terrific and exciting. Some of the best CGI you'll get on TV.
     
  3. Robert D. Robot

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    CGI vs. models? I suppose it still depends on the quality of the CGI and/or the quality of the models and how they are filmed. I've always enjoyed Babylon 5, despite my initial need to shift my mind to get accustomed to the CGI look of that production. The CGI of nBSG is -for me- quite a jump in quality over the visuals that they we able to create for B5. I love Star Trek TOS, but the special effects for that show are not in the same league as something like what we see in nBSG. Although I think it is interesting to see what they have done for TOS Remastered, I still am very fond of the original special effects. The beat-up, re-numbered model of the Constellation rotating slowly in space, however, just can't compare to that sequence in TOS-R where the rock hits the battered primary hull of the Constellation, bounces, and shatters.

    Same goes for Original Galactica effects. While I am fond of them, and I respect and enjoy them for what they are, they would look crude and dated if those techniques were used in a production made today.

    To simply prefer old special effects may be a case of personal taste and nostalgia (and this is everyone's right), but those factors don't hold up well when objectively comparing the quality of the effects.
     
  4. MickJo1701

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    The CGI for the vast majority of nuBSG is excellent, admittedly there are certain sequences in seasons 3 & 4 that have bugged me since I first saw the series but I certainly wouldn't say the VFX isn't dynamic or visceral.

    The decision to film documentary style was what visually set the show apart for previous SciFi series IMO.
     
  5. tighr

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    I agree... I instantly noticed this tactic, the "zooming in and out before focusing on the subject". I thought it added a bit of realism to the obviously CGI shots. Part of what made nuBSG work for me.
     
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  7. Robert D. Robot

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    [I removed the comment originally posted here because -although it was a intended as a humorous observation on the way the discussion was developing- it is possible that the remark might be taken as more of a dig, rather than what was intended]
     
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  8. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    I'm removing my post as well. i was in a bad mood when I responded and I shouldn't have been so snappy with my remardk. At the time, I really felt that the comment about Katie Couric and Palin was an unjustified comparison that was meant to be a dig on personal opinion, and I was furious, and snapped. I apologize.
     
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  9. Robert D. Robot

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    ^ I am sorry. That post of mine was not intended to be about the validity of either of the points of view expressed by the posters in the discussion, it is just that the wording used in that particular exchange sounded a bit like that exchange in the news a while ago.

    However, making any comparison of anyone (or anyone's choice of phrasing) to Sarah Palin should be done only with very careful consideration and only with either a close friend (who will laugh it off) or with an enemy (that you wish to intentionally antagonize). While I can not call you a close friend, Flying Spagetti Monster, you are a fellow member here and definitely not an enemy; I regret that my urge to make a joke overruled my good judgement. I am sorry to have ruffled feathers!
     
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  10. Neroon

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  11. Marc

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    There aren't that many useable clips because the original BSG didn't have that any many effects shots period. Pretty much ever battle was recycled footage from the pilot/original movie.

    They really put the stock in stock footage.
     
  12. SeerSGB

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    Usually not a fan of the style, but I liked it in BSG. Had the feel of it being gun-camera or drone-camera footage shot in the thick of it. Really worked with the feel they were going for with the series.
     
  13. Awesome Possum

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    The new BSG was probably one of the best science fiction shows ever made and one of the few where people actually acted like people. Most of the people who have problems with it are mainly upset because it is such a different show and they can't accept that.

    I really don't know how anyone could think the original is superior in anyway other than by being a fan of goofy kid characters, robot dogs played by chimps and episode after episode of 70s movie ripoffs.
     
  14. RandyS

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    Speaking for myself only, I prefer the original because the characters didn't wallow in emotions all the time. Sure, they had been through the destruction of their society, but, they picked themselves up and got on with the business of living like real people would do.

    New Galactica on the other hand, had the characters wallowing in emotions over stuff that happened BEFORE the destruction of the colonies, and never seemed to put anything behind them. That's not "realism", as the producers would have you believe. It's overly emotional nonsense.

    That's what turned me off.
     
  15. Nerys Myk

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    NuBSG was a little too dark for my tastes, but there is no doubt it was well made in all respects.
     
  16. IndyJones

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    Part of that is the timeline though, isn't it? The events on screen played out much slower than real life. The Mini series aired in 2003, and the Lay Down Your Burdens aired in 2006 even though it took place just 9 months after the destruction of the 12 colonies.

    I know I'd be pretty messed up 9 months after a similar tragedy.
     
  17. Robert D. Robot

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    There are some real people from New York City and Northern New Jersey that I believe may have a different perspective on how long it takes to get over a horrific attack. In addition, after 911, the terrorists were not continuing to attack the city, as the Cyclons in that fictional Universe continued to chase and attack the fleet. And the rest of humanity outside of NYC had not been wiped out!

    There were no Mudd's Women or Tribbles episodes, but this was a different type of show.

    I think it is pretty much accepted that the dark tone of nBSG was influenced by the events of 911. The series might not have even connected well with so many if it had been produced before the attacks. Given the premise and the length o f time covered by the story, I think things would actually be pretty dark. Also, the trend to add on-going soap opera story lines into 'primetime' dramas hadn't become a trend yet back in the 1970s, although I would say the original was more of a family show, and nBSG was geared more toward adults and away from kids.

    This is opposed to the tone of the original series in which we find in the episode immediately following the destruction of the Colonies Starbuck and the gang partying down and having fun on a casino planet (well, at least until they start getting eaten....!).
     
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  18. tighr

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    Yeah.... that's why I could never get into the original. I watched that casino planet episode and decided to give up. I'm too young to have a "nostalgia" factor with that show.

    But then again, ST:TOS bores me, too. I enjoy the movies with the original cast, but some of the TOS episodes just drone on and on and on...
     
  19. Robert D. Robot

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    ^ Yes, nostalgia plays a big factor, I think, with all of us. When we watch a show today that we grew up with (and liked!), I think the experience ties into more than just that episode.... we reconnect on a subconscious level with other elements and feelings about that part of our life. That is why a grilled cheeses sandwich and a bowl of soup (I know this is cliche) tastes so much better to me than it probably should.

    I enjoy a ST:TOS episode, even when it is kind of corny because is resonates with good stuff from my past, yet I can see why it may not do the same for you. Similarly, I started watching Dr. Who with reruns of Tom Baker when I was younger. While I am fond of that character (and appreciate pretty much all the incarnations of the Doctor), I can see where someone who was introduced to Doctor Who in the new era might find the pacing and special effects of older series as engaging as with 9, 10 & 11.
     
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