Size of the K'Tinga-class

Discussion in 'Trek Tech' started by David Schmidt, Aug 14, 2009.

  1. David Schmidt

    David Schmidt Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Has anyone actually done any calculations on the size of this ship?
    I know the plans say 214 m - but that's rediculous. There'd be NO room in the Hangar, and you'd need a shoehorn to get more that 400 inside.

    Please kick it around. I have a REALLY good reason for asking.
     
  2. kv1at3485

    kv1at3485 Commodore Commodore

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    Downscale the claimed volume from here, and compare with the volume of the hull of this, generously interpreted as a rectangular prism. Then factor in claimed crew complements.
     
  3. David Schmidt

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    I didn't make myself clear. Looking at the two double rows of windows on the cobra head, the ship must be bigger. Has anyone calculated other figures?
     
  4. Timo

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    Two rows of windows at the edge of a flat hull? Now doesn't that sound familiar somehow...?

    I guess that we can safely ignore the silly idea that those two rows would indicate two decks, because obviously that isn't true of Starfleet engineering, either. :devil:

    A rough guess would be that the ship becomes 150% the previously established size if the two rows are taken to indicate two decks - much as with the Constitution class.

    Of course, if we believe in TAS "Time Trap", the size relationship between the Klingon and Starfleet "star ships" is set in stone...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  5. Forbin

    Forbin Admiral Admiral

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    Nobody ever said it fitted 400 people comfortabley. They're Klingons, after all.
     
  6. Cary L. Brown

    Cary L. Brown Rear Admiral

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    That's EXTREMELY true.

    You're not talking about TNG-ish "luxury condo quarters," especially for the general crew. You'd be talking about BUNKROOMS, after all. Probably hot-bunking, no less.

    I assume a 2-shift schedule. That means 200 on-duty, 200 off-duty, at any time. Assume that as many as 1/2 of those (though probably more like 1/3) are "troops" whose normal on-ship duty is standing around guarding things, or doing "training" and physical fitness and so forth.

    Senior officers... four or five of them... might have private cabins. The rest of the officers would share quarters, and the crew would be in something best compared to Army-style "bay barracks" (which hold 30+ personnel per bay, typically). SEVEN of such spaces... which aren't really all that big... would be enough to "hot bunk" 420 personnel.

    Now, you'd need lots of "common areas" to compensate for that... mess halls, combat-training bays, "cultural" areas, etc. But actual bunking... that's almost a trivial matter.
     
  7. David Schmidt

    David Schmidt Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I had considered the 'hot-bunking' solution - thanks for the reinforcement.
    At that scale, the vaunted 'Hangar Doors' are only 3 meters tall, and 15 meters wide.
    You might be able to get 3 shuttles in there.
     
  8. Maurice

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    Andy Probert drew how the bridge set fits into the domes, and that pretty much sets the size indicated by the blueprints as it, silly as that is...imagine what a choke point the neck at the back of the forward hull would be!
     
  9. Cary L. Brown

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    Well, it all depends... on what you're doing with those doors.

    I've always thought that, for the purpose that they serve, the Federation hangar deck heights were really pretty silly.

    3 meters is more than sufficient, I think, for launching anything you REALLY need to launch. Typical shuttlecraft, for instance, or maybe a "fighter" or two?

    The real issue isn't the door size, but rather the internal stowage space.

    FYI, I envision that there are racks of craft along either side of this bay, with a ceiling-mounted "track" (sort of like how TIE fighters are supposely handled).

    The shape of this bay sort of infers that TOS-era Klingon shuttles are pretty wide and shallow... which is interesting to me, particularly when thinking about the BOP design. I suspect that the BOP is really sort of a "massively upscaled shuttle" concept... and that the D-7A's shuttlecraft might resemble it to one extent or another.
     
  10. Wingsley

    Wingsley Commodore Commodore

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    Could it be that the two rows of lights on the front on the K'Tinga's command forecastle aren't portholes at all, but a navi-deflector array instead?

    I thought STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY made it clear that the K'Tinga and the Enterprise-A were about the same size; this angle shows the Klingon cruiser flying slightly ahead of the A.
     
  11. RobertScorpio

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    They had bean-bag chairs!

    Rob
     
  12. Forbin

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    What I wanna know is, what the hell are the sawtooth-pattern things at the sides of that deck?
     
  13. Cary L. Brown

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    Well, they never really said... BUT....

    Going with the TOS-era "Klingon" behavior model, it's safe to say that the enlisted crew (sometimes assumed to include "servitor races") lived in the main hull, with the "elite" Klingons living in the forward pod. In the worst-case situation, the command crew could eject the top "triangle" and use it as a lifeboat (leaving the "less important" crew to "die honorably!")

    So, eject the top "triangle" and you need power and propulsion of some form.

    I assume that these "sawtooth" things are really a series of small fusion power/propulsion devices.

    Eject the "triangle" and you keep life-support for that section, you keep main communications, you keep power and (sublight only?) propulsion, and the main computer core elements. AND you have a pair of disruptor cannon for basic self-defense as well.

    That's how I see that portion of the D-7A and D-7M classes.

    Klingons are "modular" in their thinking, just like the Federation is... they just have a different set of priorities. ;)
     
  14. goose814

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    Here is a comparison I did about a year ago:

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/goose814/Comparison4.jpg

    The common thread of these is that the front edge of each primary hull is the same dimension for all the ships.

    The biggest thing I noticed was how much smaller the D7 was compared to the K'tinga, even though the height of the primary hull edge is the same on both. I didn't think it was right until I noticed that it agrees with this comparison of the TOS Enterprise:

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/goose814/Comparison.jpg
     
  15. Herkimer Jitty

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    Bolognium?

    So I see you have learned the true secret of vertnium cortenide.

    You know too much. Now the remaining ST art dept. alumni will have to kill you, as per their oath.

    Run.
     
  16. Maurice

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    I know the story behind "bolognium". ;)
     
  17. Longinus

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    I have hard time accepting that K'tinga and D7 would even be different classes, instead of minor variations within a sinle class, let alone that they would be different sizes. Original Connie and the Refit are more dissimilar than TOS and movie era Klingon cruisers. I think that it is just a single class, Klingon name being K'tinga and Federation designation D7.
     
  18. USS Mariner

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    If you scale them to the same size though, the proportions of various sections are quite different between them, much in the same manner they are between the TMP Enterprise and the TOS Connie.
     
  19. Longinus

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    I meant that TOS and movie Klingon cruisers would be about the same size, as original Connie is about the same size than the refit. Goose's comparison pic shows K'tinga nad D7 as vastly different sizes. K'tinga is a D7 refit.
     
  20. Forbin

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    Isn't the K'tinga "officially" a tad smaller than the D7?