Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Khan 2.0, Sep 22, 2013.

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borg for Trek 3

  1. yes.

    20.7%
  2. no.

    70.7%
  3. save them for ST 4 (if there is one)

    8.6%
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  1. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    But this isn't a thread about whether people liked the movie or not. Its a thread about where people think they should go next.
     
  2. Tiberius

    Tiberius Commodore Commodore

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    And like I said, where I want them to go next is to a good movie. The inclusion or not of the Borg will not be the deciding factor on whether or not it is good.
     
  3. Balrog

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    Dude, when have Trekfans ever pissed on Nick Meyer?

    I thought itt was pretty obvious I was joking too.
     
  4. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Of course it was.
    No doubt you could, but it would in no way render the "steaming pile of targ manure" remark any less a wholly gratuitous insult.
     
  5. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    How can someone insult a thing (which a movie is, it's just a thing, not a person).

    Are we getting all religious about it now?
     
  6. Cara007

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    Maybe yes and may be no. Did The Voyage Home have any villains? It is still the most successful TOS film.
     
  7. BillJ

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    Why not?

    Some people have been treating the rest of the franchise like a religion that has been violated by the mere existence of the Abrams films.
     
  8. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Voyage Home has a problem to solve, no villain. There is not even a villainous character in it, except for, if you stretch the definition, the whaler.
     
  9. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Just as easily as Tiberius did here:
    (For your convenience and viewing pleasure, the set-up has been underlined, while the "insult proper" has been placed in bold.)

    Are we? I certainly have no intention of doing so. However, if you're having thoughts along those lines, I hope you'll be good enough to take it somewhere private, so we won't be forced to watch.

    Clever observation about a movie being a thing and not a person, though. Bravo! [​IMG]
     
  10. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    You only quoted the text. Still doesn't answer how one can insult a movie.
    The filmmakers might indirectly feel insulted, but they are not here.
    If a fan feels insulted by that, he might have an issue and needs to step back a bit.
     
  11. Balrog

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    Waterloo!
     
  12. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    I said nothing concerning insult to filmmaker or fan. You're working far too hard at this tangent for no discernible payoff, and would probably do better simply to return to talking about Borg and/or other potential villains.
     
  13. Hober Mallow

    Hober Mallow Commodore Commodore

    The "villain," I guess, was 20th Century mankind.

    I'd like a little more imagination in the next Trek film. Evil Bad Guy from Another Time Out for Revenge(TM) is all the writers have been able to come up with for the last two films. I'm burned out of mustache-twirling Trek villains. They're always supposed to be deep and interesting and they never are. Even Khan wasn't that interesting in TWOK, it was how he served the character of Kirk as an archetype which was interesting. Instead of devoting valuable screen time to developing a villain (which amounts to simply coming up with reason #4,365 why an Evil Bad Guy wants revenge), how about writing an imaginative story in which they can develop the main characters, the ones I actually want to see, the ones who always get short shrift in the films.
     
  14. Tiberius

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    Okay, I'm not going to go off topic and explain why I think STiD is a bad movie in this thread. Let's get back on topic now, shall we?
     
  15. M-Red

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    Reading through this thread and I might be surprised now if this doesn't happen.


    Kirk and Spock vs. The Borg


    Sounds like fanwank but it might be the most marketable combo in all of Trek.
     
  16. Makarov

    Makarov Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The only way Kirk / Spock vs. the borg would be cool to me would be if the main enemy was Locutus of Borg that somehow traveled to this timeline.
     
  17. M-Red

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    Obviously it won't be popular here, but TPTB are aiming for the biggest possible blockbuster audience.

    I'm definitely not saying I want it, or even that it's going to happen. But it seems like a commercial layup.
     
  18. Makarov

    Makarov Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    If we're gonna put TNG villains in it for ratings how about Q? Maybe he takes an interest in this altered Kirk or something. They could literally do anything with a Q movie.
     
  19. King Daniel Beyond

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    I think Spockprimutus of Borg would be fanwankier.
     
  20. SpookyJim

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    I think "done to death" is the best phrase I can see here for the Borg.

    They were a formidable adversary and worthy of inclusion in their Next Generation episodes. Then Voyager got their hands on them and turned them into little more than the cybernetic laughing stock of the galaxy.

    Enterprise came along and, though many may disagree, I thought they had a good Borg storyline – and a good one to finish off the death-warmed-up bots once and for all.

    Khan was a good vehicle for exploring how things can run at a parallel but be different in this 'other universe'. And the destruction of Vulcan was effectively used as an explanation for how the Khan storyline came along earlier than it did in the 'real universe'. But how could the destruction of Vulcan possibly be used as an excuse to attract the Borg from the Delta Quadrant so much earlier than they otherwise would have? In galactic terms, the destruction of Vulcan is still only a minor, barely noticeable event.

    I know JJ is creating a whole new game, but he still needs to maintain some degree of authenticity by tying in what's going on to the events in the 'real universe'.

    We know what the Borg are. We know what they're going to do. We know pretty much everything there is to know about them and we've seen it all. I for one would be decidedly less than excited about going to see another Star Trek film about the Borg.
     
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