Should Chakotay have been more of a "bad ass"

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  1. R. Star

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    One of the rare episodes they remembered the Maquis exist. Yet even a grand episode such as that was undermined by the fact the main antagonist was Neelix's cooking. :p
     
  2. Kathy Kringle

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    I work at a childrens game company and we had this bear character that does this thing where he goes GRRRIZZZLY PUNCH!!! And it always reminds me of that Chakotay video haha.
     
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    Remember what Harry Kim once said: "There's an ancient Chinese curse-may you live in interesting times. Meal times are always interesting now that Neelix is in charge of the kitchen."

    Not to mention the classic comment from this episode: "Get the cheese to sickbay!" :)
     
  4. Garppo

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    I just watched the episode in which Chakotay is brainwashed into becoming a soldier for an alien group. I can't remember the name but it's in Season 4. Anyway, he tells the other soldiers there about his attitude to killing and fighting (i.e how people where he is from think about the enemy, killing is last resort etc.) which seems totally at odds with how a terrorist/freedom-fighter group would think. The Maquis were named after the group of French Resistence fighters in WWII and you can be sure none of them would have Chakotay's attitude to killing.
     
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    He is seriously screwed up about all this. Now if he was just baking cakes for colonists hiding in caves he might be able to say he supports the people but not the violence but this wasn't the case at all.
     
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    Yeah, he's totally screwed up. Even the Doctor said he wouldn't know his mother from a turnip.

    At the same time, if this is reflecting the "real" Chakotay, then it goes to show that he was actually a peace-loving man whose life's circumstances made him into a formidable fighter.
     
  7. Kathy Kringle

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    The episode is "Nemesis". I thought it was one of the better Chakotay episodes.

    Also the Maquis COULD be considered a lighter equivalent to the Bajoran Resistance fighters who killed many Cardassians as well (however, the Bajorans were somewhat way more justified). If someone tried to take over my state or country, hell yea I would be pissed too. But, of course, killing is the last resort. Especially if you are a "peaceful" person.

    Also liked him in "Unity" where he has mental orgy with a group of ex-borgs. :D
     
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  8. Kathy Kringle

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    :lol:

    At least he showed emotion! Which is more than he did in a lot of episodes. hahahhaa.
    I agree with you though. Don't preach what you can't practice!
     
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    Maybe the writers made Chakotay relatively timid in comparison to Janeway because they didn't want to deal with so many captain/first officer conflicts.
     
  10. R. Star

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    Then why did they bother dividing the crew between Starfleet/Maquis at all then? If you're going to include a plot device in your premise, use it. One of Voyager's best and most powerful moments was the conflict between Janeway and Chakotay in Scorpion.
     
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    The secret to their relationship in the later seasons, we learn in Shattered, is that Chakotay has hidden the good bottles of wine all over the ship and Janeway doesn't want to drink the replicated crap the peasants put up with.
     
  12. Data's Cat

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    Agree.

    There should have been more tension between the two.
     
  13. Melakon

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    The writers kept that relationship in their back pocket, so they could pull it out anytime they needed it for sweeps week. For a guy with a tattoo covering half his face, Chakotay was one of the wimpiest skin illustrated men on the screen.
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    It's possible that Janeway is easy breezie compared to the assholes back in the AQ running the Federation who would have kept the Maquis in cells or Stasis for the entire trip back home.

    No matter what she's done, compared to who we could have got in that chair, Kathryn Janeway might relatively be a creampuff.

    Was there any problems in Alaska when America bought Alaska off Russia for 2 cents an acre?

    Russians refusing to naturalize into Ameican citizenship, or vacate their homesteads?
     
  15. Dream

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    Q's facial art is bigger.;)
     
  16. Melakon

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    Not big enough.
     
  17. R. Star

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    So that's why Chakotay and Janeway never got together. ;)
     
  18. Melakon

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    Remember that Seven told Chakotay he lacked "harmony, cohesion... greatness."
     
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    Yet, Seven still dated him. She must have low standards.;)
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    No one else asked.

    You have to figure that by year four that everyone who was marriage material was paired off already.

    So by the time Anika showed up, all that was left was the unfrakkables, and widow/ers.