Ships In "The Measure of a Man"

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  1. throwback

    throwback Captain Captain

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    I have been able to read at least ten of the names on the list seen in the courtroom. They are the Enterprise, the Constantinople, the Wellington, the Farouk El-Baz, the Hokule'a, the Yorktown, the Apollo, the Yuri Gagarin, the Lexington, the Excelsior, and the Neil Armstrong. Two of the ships on the list are on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan, and one is under repair at Starbase 74.

    I would like to know if other people have been able to read the other fourteen names.
     
  2. Dukhat

    Dukhat Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Care to give us some insight on how you got those names in the first place? Every screencap I've ever seen of that wall chart was a blurry mess...unless you have access to the HD scenes, in which case it's doubtful that most people have seen them.

    What's also interesting is that if you read it right, that would mean that there's both a USS Neil Armstrong AND a USS Armstrong operating at the same time (the latter is a Challenger class vessel), unless they are actually supposed to be the same ship. Plus we have the class ships for the Apollo and Hokule'a classes. Does the chart happen to show registry numbers and/or class designations?
     
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  3. Albertese

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    I hope they fare better than the Tantive IV!

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  4. throwback

    throwback Captain Captain

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    I have the blue-ray. I started this thread on the first day with the expectation that it could be built on as more people watch the episode.

    There is one scene, where Riker after removing Data's arm, returns to the android . This is the best time to see the chart; however, in pause, it's blurred, so it's a process of playing, rewinding, and playing.

    The chart is divided into four columns - Ship Name, Registry, Captain, and Assignment. For instance, for the Enterprise,

    * U.S.S. Enterprise
    *
    NCC-1701-D
    * Jean-Luc Picard
    * Docked at Starbase 173

    Most of the assignments are identified as Neutral Zone Patrols and Deep Space Exploration. However, there are exceptions. The Constantinople is on a special assignment.
     
  5. throwback

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    After extensive reviewing, this is what I have come up with:

    Line 1: U.S.S. Enterprise
    Line 2: U.S.S. (), NCC-2xxxx
    Line 3: U.S.S. Constantinople, NCC-4xxxx
    Line 4: U.S.S. Wellington, NCC-3xxxx
    Line 5: U.S.S. Farouk El-Baz, NCC-3xxxx
    Line 6: U.S.S. Hokule'a, NCC-3xxxx
    Line 7: U.S.S. Atlantis, NCC-3xxxx
    Line 8: U.S.S. (), NCC-3xxxx
    Line 9: U.S.S. Da-Taplan, NCC-3xxxx
    Line 10: U.S.S. Neil Armstrong, NCC-3xxxx
    Line 11: U.S.S. Saratoga, NCC-3xxxx
    Line 12: U.S.S. (), NCC-3xxxx
    Lines 13, 22: U.S.S. Endeavour, NCC-2xxxx
    Line 14, 23: U.S.S. Yorktown, NCC-2xxxx
    Line 15, 24: U.S.S. Excelsior, NCC-21145
    Line 16: U.S.S. (), NCC-2xxxx
    Line 17: U.S.S. Lexington, NCC-3xxxx
    Line 18: U.S.S. Excalibur, NCC-21xxx
    Line 19: U.S.S. Yuri Gagarin, NCC-3xxxx
    Line 20: U.S.S. (), NCC-2xxxx
    Line 21: U.S.S. Apollo, NCC-3xxxx

    The Hokule'a and the Apollo have higher registries than ships that belong to either the Hokule'a-class or the Apollo-class.

    So, that leaves five ships that I am not able to read.

    .
     
  6. Dukhat

    Dukhat Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    At Flare Forums where I post, I found an old thread about this. Maybe it will help a tiny bit:

    http://flare.solareclipse.net/ultimatebb.php/topic/6/2732.html

    Also, some observations (depending on if your scrutinizing is correct): The Atlantis on this chart has a different registry number than the Atlantis on the "Conspiracy" diagrams; the Constantinople, the Wellington, the Yorktown, and the Lexington all have different numbers than what is listed in the Encyclopedia for what are presumably the same ships; the Excalibur's reg is different than what was on the studio model; and as you already stated, two presumed class ships' regs are higher than other known ships of their class.

    I'd say the information on this chart is either mostly meaningless, or mostly more authoritative than the Encyclopedia, depending on your point of view. IMHO, I'm leaning toward the former.
     
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  7. DEWLine

    DEWLine Commodore Commodore

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    This list of names is off of the Blu-Ray edition?

    I have to admit that I like the idea of naming ships for Armstrong and Gagarin very much, just as naming them for places such as White Sands and Tranquility Base does a great deal for me in a good way.
     
  8. throwback

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    Yes. I have done some more scrutinizing.

    I have been able to get some registries for these ships:
    * U.S.S. Excelsior, NCC-21445
    * U.S.S. Yorktown, NCC-20045
    * U.S.S. Endeavour, NCC-25330
    * U.S.S. Apollo, NCC-30000
    * U.S.S. , NCC-30352 (this ship is under repair at Starbase 74)
    * U.S.S. Yuri Gagarin, NCC-25306
    * U.S.S. Excalibur, NCC-21534
    * U.S.S. Lexington, NCC-30405

    These ships were the easiest to get registries for.

    I am nowhere close to getting the names for five of the ships.
     
  9. B.J.

    B.J. Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    So, care to provide the rest of us with screencaps? :D

    Wow, surprised to find myself in that thread! I guess I posted there a bit more recently than I thought.
     
  10. Unicron

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    FASA assumed that the Grissom model which became the Oberth class was a Gagarin class vessel instead, and by TNG there was an improved model named the Sagan class to which the Tsiolkovsky belonged. Perhaps one could say the Gagarin was the original model, and the Sagan and Oberth were later refits/modernizations. Best way I can see to make them all fit. :D
     
  11. throwback

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    I have completed my work on the list. Here are the results.

    Name
    Registry
    Captain
    Assignment

    U.S.S. Enterprise
    NCC-1701-D
    Jean-Luc Picard
    Docked at Starbase 173

    U.S.S. Yamato

    NCC-24383
    Richard McKenzie
    On Patrol, Sector 134, Neutral Zone
    Notes: This is the fourth registry for a ship of this name in this season. The other registries are NCC-1305-E, NCC-71807, and NCC-71808. Richard McKenzie was a set designer.

    U.S.S. Constantinople

    NCC-43622
    Richard James
    Special Assignment, Terraform Command
    Notes: Terraform Command was mentioned in TNG: "Home Soil". Richard James was a production designer.

    U.S.S. Wellington

    NCC-33821
    Thomas Pucer
    On Patrol, Sector 130, Neutral Zone

    U.S.S. Farouk El-Baz

    NCC-31823
    Cari L. Thomas
    On Patrol, Sector 130, Neutral Zone
    Notes: Cari L. Thomas was a visual effects artist.

    U.S.S. Hokuleā€™a

    NCC-30187
    Robert Metoyer
    Planetary Exploration, Sector 130
    Notes: Robert Metoyer was an assistant director.

    U.S.S. Atlantis

    NCC-3210
    Dick Brownfield
    Diplomatic Mission to Alderaan
    Notes: A ship of this name appeared in TNG: "Conspiracy". with a higher registry. Dick Brownfield was a visual effects artist.

    U.S.S.
    []vicker
    NCC-31810
    Adele Simmons
    Planetary Exploration, Sector 142
    Notes: This is the first of three ships whose names I am unable to read completely. The first four letters are illegible. Adele Simmons was an assistant director.

    U.S.S. []cal

    NCC-31054
    Elaina Vescio
    Deep Space Exploration, Sector 010
    Notes: I am not sure how many letters are missing from this name. Elaine Vescio was in charge of set security. Sector 10 was mentioned for the first time in TNG: "Conspiracy".

    U.S.S. Neil Armstrong

    NCC-31806
    Gere LaDue
    Planetary Exploration, Sector 142
    Notes: This ship might be the same that visited DS9 during the Klingon-Federation war for repairs. Gere LaDue was an assistant director.

    U.S.S. Saratoga

    NCC-31640
    Martin Jedlicka
    Deep Space Exploration, Sector 002
    Notes: Martin Jedlicka was an assistant director.

    U.S.S. Da-Teplan

    NCC-30087
    Richard Cronn
    Planetary Exploration, Sector 054
    Notes: Richard Cronn was the chief lighting technician.

    U.S.S. Endeavour

    NCC-25330
    Cosmo Genovese
    Deep Space Exploration, Sector 007
    Notes: Cosmo Genovese was a script supervisor.

    U.S.S. Yorktown

    NCC-20045
    Gregory Benson
    Deep Space Exploration, Sector 032
    Notes: This might be the same Yorktown that visited DS9 in 2370.

    U.S.S. Excelsior

    NCC-21445
    Muriel Epstein
    Deep Space Exploration, Sector 034
    Notes: Muriel Epstein was a special effects technician.

    U.S.S. Amber

    NCC-21335
    Marian Fife
    Diplomatic Mission to Alderaan
    Notes: Marian Fife was a studio teacher.

    U.S.S. Lexington

    NCC-30405
    Wil Thoms
    Planetary Exploration, Sector 028
    Notes: Wil Thomas was a special effects artist.

    U.S.S. Excalibur

    NCC-21534
    Al Smutko
    On Patrol, Sector 130, Neutral Zone
    Notes: Al Smutko was a construction coordinator.

    U.S.S. Yuri Gagarin

    NCC-25306
    Alan Bernard
    On Patrol, Sector 142, Neutral Zone
    Notes: Alan Bernard was a sound mixer.

    U.S.S
    . []
    NCC-30352
    Peter Lauritson
    Under Repair, Starbase 74
    Notes: I was unable to read any of this ship's letters, other than U.S.S. The word is the same length as Apollo. Peter Lauritson was an associate producer at the time of this episode.

    U.S.S. Apollo

    NCC-30000
    Dennis McCarthy
    Deep Space Exploration, Sector 002
    Notes: Dennis McCarthy was a music composer.

    U.S.S. Endeavour

    NCC-25330
    Cosmo Genovese
    Deep Space Exploration, Sector 007

    U.S.S. Yorktown

    NCC-20045
    Gregory Benson
    Deep Space Exploration, Sector 032

    U.S.S. Excelsior

    NCC-21445
    Muriel Epstein
    Deep Space Exploration, Sector 034

    I am not guaranteeing that these results are 100% accurate.
     
  12. Chemahkuu

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  13. throwback

    throwback Captain Captain

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    There are people who like making ship lists. I am one of those people. I did this for myself, and I shared what I learned.
     
  14. Spike730

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    I appreciate what you did.

    Yeah, pretty much all of these registries clash with the Encyclopedia. But on the other hand most of the registries and class designations from the Encylopedia haven't been backed up by an onscreen source so far.
     
  15. B.J.

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    Still want to see screencaps. Not sure if everyone would come to the same conclusions you have.
     
  16. throwback

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    That's why I included the comment that my results might not be 100% accurate.
     
  17. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Maybe the latter is named for LOUIS Armstrong? Or, better yet, this guy. :)
     
  18. Dukhat

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    Well, if the ship was named after Louis Armstrong, wouldn't it have been called, you know, the U.S.S. Louis Armstrong? I mean the other ship is the Neil Armstrong...:)
     
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    ^ Then again, there is a ship called USS Roosevelt, but is it FDR or Teddy? Think about it.
     
  20. throwback

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    Memory Alpha has updated their image for this chart.

    U.S.S. Hokule'a
    *
    The writer for the article states that this name is illegible.

    U.S.S. Saratoga
    * Another case of where the writer states that the name is illegible.

    U.S.S. Da-Teplan
    * A third case where the writer states the name is illegible.

    U.S.S. Amber
    * I disagree with the writer on this name. When I did the chart, I went through the name letter by letter, and compared each letter to one like it found elsewhere on the chart. In this example, if the name was Aries, then the final letter would look like the first letter in Saratoga or Sector. It doesn't; I then compared it to other letters and came to a determination that it was a R. From there, knowing that the first letter was an A and the last letter was a R, it was a process of filling in the rest.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starship_Deploy_Status
     

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