Sherlock - Series 3

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  1. propita

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    His band wants to know, "One of those hot women with the purple hair? They were the best reason to watch the show!". I liked the guys on the sub with the fishnet shirts, myself.
     
  2. Runetouch

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    Cumberbatch is a good Holmes, and I like the show, for unlike Downey Jr's Holmes, this Holmes at least is similar to the original character. Downey Jr's Holmes was more like a parody of Holmes.
     
  3. Starkers

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    No she wasn't one of the Moonbase girls, she was based at Headqurters.
     
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  5. Mojochi

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    Finally got around to seeing it. I still love it, but yes, clearly more character centric than balance between investigative & character base. It's obvious that they would have to have spent more time than was efficient in explaining and/or addressing his return from death. That put a slant on how they'd have to do this series right from the get go. A burden that the other series didn't suffer. So it makes sense what they did, & how they did it.

    The truth is though... that I like both aspects equally. So it didn't hurt it for me that they spent more time on the interpersonal stuff this time around. I loved it. These characters are both easy to watch & tough to keep up with. So you stay involved. At least I did, anyway

    It was masterfully done & a real kick. It just makes me wish harder than ever before that they'd do more episodes in one group. That would've given them the room to balance it out with some more mystery & case busting

    In my opinion though, they needed this. The characters have all gotten a serious infusion of backstory now, that invests us even more into them, & now, especially with the setup up for the next series, things can be more traditional in development
     
  6. Christopher

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    Is it? I'd think that explaining how he really faked his death would've taken less time than covering three or four different fake theories of how he did it.
     
  7. Mojochi

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    But that would only have explained it. Then there was still the need to address how it impacted everyone. So now you still have a large portion of episode one that needs to handle the issue of how the last series ended. It's so much of a time issue, that you should just embrace it as being a defining element of the entire 3rd series, & then have fun with it

    Doing a quick explaining & then glossing over the impact in order to focus on some mystery plot would be an unrealistic way to approach the production, but embracing it as the foundation for the series & building from that may have changed the show's dynamic slightly for one series, but ultimately was still enjoyable & smartly made, and as I said gave some good character development that can hold us over so that next series can give us more of the balance that might have been unrealistic to attempt this time around
     
  8. Dennis

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    I adore this show; it gets better and better.
     
  9. Bob The Skutter

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    at 2:21 this afternoon the BBC announced 4 new episodes, a special to film in January and another series to film afterwards.
     
  10. Franklin

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  11. Enterprise is Great

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    Way too long a wait for me. This will be painful.
     
  12. auntiehill

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    ^Indeed. It is far too long. :(
     
  13. ManOnTheWave

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    It is way too long. However, the way everyone involved has been talking, I'm actually surprised an announcement has come this soon. These people seem to have rather conflicting schedules.

    At least the wait between the special and the series will likely only be a year.
     
  14. Christopher

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    Don't worry, there will be plenty of Elementary to tide us over. :D
     
  15. bigdaddy

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    At least we are getting and episode between the wait. I see the series as Columbo, you get a few movies / episodes when everyone has some time to do one or two for the next decades (hopefully!)
     
  16. Dimesdan

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    Isn't that just a (cheap) American knock-off because of Sherlock's success on the BBC and some studio execs wanted in on said success?
     
  17. ITL

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    It's a good show, though. Very different to Sherlock. I like them both.
     
  18. Allyn Gibson

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    Honestly? Not really.

    CBS has had modern-day Sherlock Holmes series in development at least as far back as 2001. (I have the pilot script for the 2001 version of "Elementary," which is set in Malibu Beach, of all places.) Sherlock and its success showed them that the concept worked, and they pulled the trigger on something they had been wanting to do for some time.

    Where it does get tricky is that CBS offered to buy the Sherlock format rights from Moffat. (Probably for the same reason that Disney bought the rights to Tim Powers' On Stranger Tides; even though the fourth Pirates film didn't have much to do with it, buying the rights pre-empted potential nuisance lawsuits.) Moffat said no. They went ahead and made the show they wanted to make anyway. And I think that a lot of Moffat's anger toward Elementary stems from his realization that he left free money on the table.
     
  19. Christopher

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    Ohh, good lord, not even close. The shows are incredibly different from one another, even though they're both faithful to the source in their own way. Elementary takes an approach to the characters and the adaptation that bears essentially no resemblance at all to Sherlock's approach, and in many people's view, including mine, is notably better in a number of ways. Its approach to Moriarty in particular is extremely original and blows Sherlock's awful cartoon-villain Moriarty completely out of the water. I had an essay on the subject published on Locus Roundtable not long ago, though be warned it has spoilers:

    The Problem with Sherlock in a Post-Elementary World

    And Elementary isn't cheap either. It's one of CBS's most prestigious shows and is a classy production, beautifully shot on location in New York City, and featuring a number of prominent actors such as Lucy Liu and Aidan Quinn as regulars and Roger Rees, Natalie Dormer, and Rhys Ifans as recurring guests.


    That's very interesting -- I didn't know that. When you say the 2001 version, do you mean Robert Doherty was pitching the series that far back, or do you mean it was a distinct modernized-Holmes premise from a different creator?

    One thing I note in my essay is that for the first half-century of Holmes screen adaptations, it was routine to modernize Holmes and Watson and make them contemporaries of the audience; the only exceptions for 50 years were the first two Basil Rathbone films, which were made in 1939 yet set in the Victorian Era. Yet for some reason, everything after 1950 treated Holmes strictly as a period character; even those few projects that brought him into the present or the future all featured the Victorian Holmes being cryogenically frozen or time-warped or resurrected. I've found it quite strange that nobody tried approaching Holmes as a contemporary character until Sherlock and Elementary came along. So it's actually not surprising to learn that at least somebody was contemplating a contemporized Holmes as far back as 2001.
     
  20. Agent Richard07

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    I gave up on Elementary after one episode but I might check back someday even though I was spoiled on Moriarty.