Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by oddsigve, Sep 26, 2013.

  1. oddsigve

    oddsigve Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    First time I viewed STID I was filled with hope that the movie wasen`t a mindless action movie, but it is in my opinion. The first time I watched it I could not even finish it, but this time around I enjoyed it. I guess the reason for that is simple enough. I knew what to expect and adjusted my expectations accordingly and the fact that I`ve just finished a marathon with TNG,DS9,VOY helped. Lack of material kinda drew me towards the movie again.

    Maybe my experience could help others :rommie:
     
  2. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum The Friendly Face of Brutal Facism Moderator

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    It is a mindless action movie if you ignore all the commentary. Just like how the original series is a mindless space adventure show if you ignore all the commentary.
     
  3. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    What commentary? Cruise missiles and evil admirals are bad?

    And mindless it was indeed. The action and eye candy in the prologue rely on extreme contrivances. What is the reason to hide the ship under water? Why can't they suddenly not beam someone? The chase sequence with the Klingons comes out of nowhere and is absolutely unnesseccarry. You could cut it out and it wouldn't change a thing. And that's only a few examples.
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    ^Show me an episode or movie that can't be picked apart in a similar fashion by an OCD spaz.
     
  5. ComicGuy89

    ComicGuy89 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    And it's not just Star Trek too, it's the majority of movies and TV shows out there, whatever genre you can think of.
     
  6. BillJ

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    Its no more an mindless action movie than Star Trek: First Contact.
     
  7. JamesRye

    JamesRye Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    It's not mindless.

    The movie acts as a metaphor for America’s descent into moral ambiguity following the terrorist attacks of 9/11. The hunt for John Harrison is analagous to the search for Bin Laden and the debate about whether to launch photon torpedoes at the Klingon home world is relevant to current debates regarding the morality of drone strikes.

    It's also quite fun.
    For more information on why the film is actually surprisingly political:

    http://ryesofthegeek.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/star-trek-into-darkness-film-review/


    And yeh, which of the TNG films was a cutting social commentary with interesting things to say?
     
  8. Cinema Geekly

    Cinema Geekly Commander Red Shirt

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    I would argue that all of them have commentary. They just aren't new commentaries, we've seen them in Trek before.

    I like that they took the effort to ask political questions in an ambiguous way in STID, but this is 2013, the internet has been around for a while now.

    It's not like they were talking about things in that movie that people haven't already been talking about for years now.

    In that way it is difficult to make a movie with a message, unless that message is about something that virtually nobody talks about.
     
  9. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum The Friendly Face of Brutal Facism Moderator

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    Balance of Terror is stupid, it's just about how stupid hate and war is. Anyone can say that.

    STiD attacked the United States foreign policy in a summer action movie, at a time where we are in two wars and the government seems eager for a third. All while using drones to invade the air spaces of other countries to kill people without a trial.

    That's sort of a big deal and a major one considering that a major film studio did it with one of the best known media franchises in history as one of their tentpole films.

    Regardless if you enjoyed the story, it is a message and a bold one to take. If you can't see that your irrational hate of the movie has blinded you to the obvious.
     
  10. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    One
    Hopes it could help. But

    Just a little maybe.
    Anybody who felt they same way for sure.
    Realize not every single
    One feels the same way.
    Don't you agree?

    Since you bring it up:
    Out of all the Treks.
    Can you identify the one you
    Know is your favorite?
     
  11. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum The Friendly Face of Brutal Facism Moderator

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    What was the message for Insurrection? Don't move native people for reasons that could benefit other people? Even though there's that episode where they move the Native American stereotypes off that colony for reasons I can't remember, but Picard was just going to beam them up like the space hippies. So that's weird. The rest about revenge being a bad thing and Picard's line about time and death that spells it out in Generations.
     
  12. ComicGuy89

    ComicGuy89 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    In my opinion, Insurrection failed in delivering its message. It clearly wanted a moral about how forced relocation is bad, but they made the Ba'ku appear extremely selfish, unwilling to share their planet just to preserve their luxuries. It was made worse when Picard developed a romantic relationship with one of them, introducing the possibility of bias on his part.
     
  13. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Man up.

    My 4 year old girl managed to watch it in 3D in the cinema. She managed to stay until the end.

    I watched "The Naked Now" the whole way through without crying. Sure there was screaming, hand wringing and eye rolling but I manned up and saw the whole thing.

    Like another poster I can't believe people saw deep and meangingful messages in INS but are traumatised by the 'shallowness' of STID.:lol:
     
  14. teacake

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    INS is just a bloated double episode full of classic Trek tropes. Not good, not bad, not really a movie.
     
  15. Franklin

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    Does the one hundredth person to open another hate thread like this win anything?

    I will say that if one isn't familiar with the politics of the U.S., especially since 9/11, some of the allusions in the movie may be lost on that person. But mindless action? Really? There wasn't even one thing meaningful in that movie for an engaged mind to comprehend? Really? No theme? No character arcs? Nothing? Nothing at all?

    (By the way folks, it's fine to have the opinion that the movie is full of too many contrivances and not well written, but how does that lead to the conclusion that it's also devoid of ideas, themes, and character arcs?)
     
  16. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    Or the same person 100 times?

    Or a crew of 1,000 ten miles tall?
     
  17. thumbtack

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    Firm boobs are good?
     
  18. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    I enjoyed Insurrection more than I enjoyed Generations, which was a mediocre single episode spread so thin you could see through it. (Also a dreadful waste of Malcolm McDowell.)

    No, but they should save their box tops. Mail in 50 of those and receive a Star Trek™ Official Coloring Book!
     
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  19. BillJ

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    I want a Star Trek coloring-book!
     
  20. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    Oooo! Unfortunately (for them), it's an Abramsverse Trek coloring book.

    Sorry there, folks...