Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by JJ-R, Sep 5, 2012.

  1. NewHorizon

    NewHorizon Captain Captain

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    If it turns out that S2 doesn't hold up to the quality of S1, then why should somebody pay for something they're not happy with? Depending on the final price, the set will cost 6 to 8 hours at work. So pretty much a day for a bluray set. I'm not rich.

    I've noticed the difference between the footage we've seen so far for S2, specifically the colours looking different (I much preferred the colours on the ship for S1). If it turns out that it looks fine, that's great, but I don't think anyone is obligated to pay for something they're not satisfied with just because you can't grasp it.
     
  2. MickJo1701

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    I agree that a single screenshot and a trailer (hopefully) with temp effects isn't enough to justify cancelling a pre-order, that's absolutely ridiculous.

    But there's no smoke without fire, the effects should at the very least measure up to what we've seen with season one, and from the little evidence we have been presented with so far, the conclusion people are drawing is that it doesn't.
     
  3. NewHorizon

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    That's not the issue.

    The screenshot from the trailer with temp effects looked fine, it's the screenshot from the 'finished' product posted on Trekcore that people are concerned about.
     
  4. MickJo1701

    MickJo1701 Commander Red Shirt

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    I think neither of them measure up to any of the orbit shots from season one, the comment at the top of the discussion on TrekCore is mine :).
     
  5. Mott the barber

    Mott the barber Commodore Commodore

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    I need more of a sample size before I freak out and, even then, I'm not gonna freak out.

    I'm sure it'll be fine guys.
     
  6. BillJ

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    It's still going to look a hell of a lot better than the DVD's.
     
  7. Maxwell Everett

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    Looks like the compositor accidentally applied the same blur setting to the deflector light element as they were using for the nacelle lights and neither Curry nor the Okudas caught it in time. Oh, well... hopefully this is an isolated case and not a specific aesthetic choice by a particular compositor at HTV Illuminate.

    The planet is somewhat sub-par as well, but no worse than some planets in TOS Remastered.
     
  8. trekker670

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  9. JJ-R

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    The press release is finally out.

    The new features that we didn't already know about are:
    1988 On-Air Season Two Promo
    Energized! Season Two Tech Update
    1988 Reading Rainbow segment with LeVar Burton
    2012 Reading Rainbow iTunes Promo
    Gag reel, newly recovered from 35mm in the archives



    So the 'Q Who' commentary seems to not have made it through. Nice to have another featurette on the restoration process. Hopefully they are anticipating concerns about the different results generated by a new company and from Dan Curry's involvement and will be tackling them head on.


    Otherwise, it's as expected. Great to see the Reading Rainbow segment made it. The Webster sequences would have been nice, but if they turned out to be utterly painful we may have regretted ever seeing them...

    And who knows what surprises will be in the two-part documentary. Although I'm not complaining at all about this generous array of extras, given the absence of that commentary, I'd be curious to learn from FrontierTrek if this list matches what was expected.
     
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    Awesome! I was hoping they would put that on the extras!:techman:
     
  12. Jefferies

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    The gag reel is nice. But given how this last 'secret' feature was hyped I'm somewhat underwhelmed. Seems stupid now that they tried to make it out as some game changing addition to the season 2 set. Also I'm sorry for everyone who was hoping for the commentary. It's not a feature I would have utilised but I know many people were very keen to have it.

    However, I don't want to complain. With the extended version of Measure of a Man season two has the best bonus feature ever put on a Star Trek home video release.
     
  13. FrontierTrek

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  14. gaghyogi49

    gaghyogi49 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Finally! :-) More deleted scenes, yippee! :-)
     
  15. JJ-R

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    Oh, fantastic! There's obviously some treasures in those boxes of film. It's exciting to consider what may be discovered for future seasons. I'm trying to think of any famously missing material that may turn up...
     
  16. davejames

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    Wow, that's quite a collection of extras!

    Although I do kinda wish they would group the bonus features together on these things. I always find it annoying having to pop in different discs to see everything. But oh well.
     
  17. Jefferies

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    I could not agree more! This must be the most annoying thing since they started releasing blu rays with TOS. I really miss the nice orderly index you got on the TNG DVDs with all the extras on 1 disc.
     
  18. tomalak301

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    I'm glad they included the updated interview with Diana Muldaur in there. Also excited about the deleted scenes even though I have this feeling those scenes won't be that big of a deal.
     
  19. trekker670

    trekker670 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Here's a collection of known deleted scenes:

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Deleted_scene#Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation

    Note that not all of them were filmed.

    It's interesting that neither "The Icarus Factor" nor "Up the Long Ladder" are on that list though.
     
  20. Maxwell Everett

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    If you look at the teleplay of "The Icarus Factor" you'll see that scene A21 was cut from broadcast (in addition, scene 24 has some additional dialogue):

    Code:
        INT. CORRIDOR - DATA AND GEORDI
    
        are approaching the doors to Ten-Forward.
    
                        GEORDI
                You think Worf is going to
                appreciate being observed like
                some laboratory specimen?
    
                        DATA
                You are correct. He is not
                insensitive... particularly at
                this stage of his development.
    
                        GEORDI
                Just remember, this is Wesley's
                operation, okay?
    
                        DATA
                Wesley is quite competent.
    
        Just as they approach Ten-Forward, Wesley steps up,
        agitated.
    
                        WESLEY
                You guys aren't going to believe
                this...
    
                        GEORDI
                Believe what?
    
                        WESLEY
                Commander Riker just caught me
                coming out of the turbolift.
    
                        GEORDI
                So? This area isn't off limits
                to you.
    
                        WESLEY
                I know, but I've been working on
                Paracelsian computations as part
                of my studies and he wants them
                right away.
    
                        GEORDI
                What about Worf?
    
                        WESLEY
                When Commander Riker says right
                away he means right away.
    
                        DATA
                Indeed.
    
                        WESLEY
                    (re Ten-Forward)
                You guys can cover for me, can't
                you?
    
                        GEORDI
                Wait a minute. This whole
                thing --
    
                        WESLEY
                I've got to get my computations
                done.
    
                        GEORDI
                You don't expect us to --
    
                        WESLEY
                Oh, come on. What are friends
                for?
                    (to Data)
                Right?
    
        Data reacts, very much put on the spot; then:
    
                        DATA
                Go ahead. Finish your work and
                We shall study Worf.
    
                        WESLEY
                I knew I could count on you guys!
    
        With that, Wesley heads off down the corridor, leaving
        Data to face Geordi, as we:
    
                                        GO TO:
    
    "Up the Long Ladder" (AKA "Send in the Clones") has a lot more changes spread throughout (dialogue mostly). Scene 24 in particular was never aired:

    Code:
    
        INT. SICKBAY
    
        Pulaski is treating an ancient Bringloidi. Riker and
        Brenna ENTER. Pulaski runs a device over the OLD
        MAN'S arm, and cures his crippling rheumatoid
        arthritis. His claw-like hand relaxes and he
        experimentally wiggles the fingers. Brenna is amazed.
        This is magic. The old man is so pleased with this
        new mobility that as Pulaski turns away to replace the
        device he leans off the biobed, and pinches her on
        the ass. Pulaski calmly swats his hand.
    
                        PULASKI
                Behave yourself.
    
                        OLD MAN
                You're a fine woman, and you've
                made a young man of me.
    
                        PULASKI
                No, I've cured your arthritis,
                and if you try anything more
                energetic you'll probably drop
                dead.
    
                        OLD MAN
                    (with a leer)
                I'd die happy.
    
                        PULASKI
                Out.
    
        He hobbles past Brenna and Riker with a wink and
        another leer. Pulaski crosses to the couple.
    
                        BRENNA
                You know how to handle men.
    
                        PULASKI
                Yes, first you have to get their
                attention.
    
        Riker chuckles. He doesn't mind being made the butt of
        a joke. Brenna crosses to Pulaski.
    
                        BRENNA
                How did you give Joey back his
                hand?
    
                        PULASKI
                    (picking up the
                     instrument)
                Oh dear, that would be difficult
                to explain.
    
                        BRENNA
                    (frustrated)
                Like everything else aboard this
                ship. I'm too ignorant to
                understand. And this is the one
                thing that looks useful.
    
        The frustration is evident in her voice. Pulaski says
        very gently --
    
                        PULASKI
                You're interested in medicine?
    
                        BRENNA
                I'm healer and midwife. Or I
                thought I was.
    
        Pulaski tries to comfort her.
    
                        PULASKI
                All I've every wanted is to take
                away the hurt. These wonderful
                tools help me do that, but
                sometimes I feel more like a
                mechanic than a doctor.
    
        Now the situation's reversed. Brenna takes Pulaski's
        hand in both of hers, closes her eyes as she searches
        for the healing power.
    
                        BRENNA
                You've the hands of a healer.
                You can't put that in a machine.
    
        Suddenly there's a hell of a bond between these women.
        Riker knows when he's a fifth wheel.
    
                        RIKER
                I'll leave you ladies to your
                discussions. Dinner, Brenna?
                I'll cook.
    
        Brenna glances at Pulaski and raises her eyebrows.
        Leans in close, keeping it private between the two of
        them.
    
                        BRENNA
                Is he real?
    
        Both of the women are eyeing Riker thoughtfully.
    
                        PULASKI
                    (sotto voce to Brenna)
                Oh, yes, very real.
    
        The message is subtle -- when life offers you
        something... take it. Riker knows female bonding when
        he sees it. He gets the hell out of the way. Riker
        EXITS.
    
    
    As well as scene 39B:

    Code:
    
        INT. CARGO HOLD (PREVIOUSLY SCENE 34)
    
        As many extras as can possibly be squeezed into the
        hold, all dressed in scruffy immigrant clothes. An
        occasional cry from a baby, chickens clucking.
        Accompanied by traditionally Irish instruments,
        Danilo, the colony's Shan'a'kee, imparts the history.
        Worf is seated with Brenna, Picard ENTERS, and leans
        against a wall just listening.
    
                        DANILO
                And after a long and gentle sleep
                we awoke and there was Bringloid,
                our dream world. Our companions
                in the butterfly ship left us
                off, and said they would leave
                a guard in heaven to look out for
                us.
                        (MORE)
    
                        DANILO (Cont'd)
                They flew on in the darkness -- their
                search was not yet over -- but
                we had found the sun, a
                world, a home.
    
                        BRENNA
                And now we have lost it.
    
                        DANILO
                We'll find another.
    
                        BRENNA
                When? How long must we wait and
                journey?
    
        Picard's expression has been shifting as various
        emotions and realizations strike him. He crosses
        swiftly to Worf, leans in.
    
                        PICARD
                I finally understand. That
                distress satellite was left by
                the Mariposans as a way to protect
                the Bringloidi. There were two
                colonies on that ship.
    
                        WORF
                Interesting, Captain.
    
                        PICARD
                And not terribly relevant, I know.
                Still, it gives one pause for
                thought....
    
        Picard's voice trails away, and he EXITS.
    
    And the final scene (48) is quite different:

    Code:
        INT. MAIN BRIDGE
    
        Picard in the command chair, Troi is at his side. Worf
        is at Tactical. Data at OPS. Supernumerary at CONN.
        Riker and Pulaski ENTER from the aft turbolift.
    
                        PICARD
                All squared away?
    
                        RIKER
                The Bringloidi have reached their
                new home.
    
                        DATA
                It is unfortunate that we cannot
                remain for several months, and
                observe the integration of the
                two colonies.
    
                        PULASKI
                They're going to do just fine.
                They're survivors, both of them.
    
                        PICARD
                We've done what we could. We've
                put the cats in the same sack,
                and given it a good shake.
    
                        DATA
                But what is occurring on Mariposa
                is a demonstration of
                sociobiology, and the concept of
                the selfish gene.
                        (MORE)
    
                        DATA (Cont'd)
                Males and females are each
                pursuing their respective
                reproductive strategies in an
                effort to maximize their
                contribution to the gene pool of
                the next generation.
    
                        RIKER
                Data, I liked the captain's
                analogy better.
    
                        DATA
                Why?
    
                        PULASKI
                It was more romantic.
    
        Troi is laughing. Riker is struggling to suppress a
        smile. Data is bewildered.
    
                        DATA
                How are cats in a sack romantic?
                They would fight and scratch
                and...
    
        Everyone is laughing now.
    
                        WORF
                Very romantic. I hunt in darkness.
                The stars my guide. The memory
                of you sings in my blood. I seize
                the gift.
    
        The bridge crew is really entranced. Wow, Klingon
        poetry. This is really building to something. What is
        the gift?
    
                        WORF
                    (continuing)
                Carry it to your bower. And lay
                at your feet the hearts of my
                enemies.
    
        The silence is deafening. Picard turns slowly back to
        face the main viewscreen. Points at CONN.
    
                        PICARD
                Engage.
    
                        WORF
                    (sotto voce)
                Perhaps it does not translate
                well.
    
    http://tng.trekcore.com/episodes/scripts/140.txt
    http://tng.trekcore.com/episodes/scripts/144.txt