Season THREE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Salinga, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. Flake

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    Agree re: Pilller. I always thought that when he came in to TNG he steadied the ship behind the scenes but clearly he did not, almost causing a walk out of the whole writing staff by writing that memo !

    It seems as though it was infact Ira Stephen Behr who was keeping it all together!

    Gene gets no love on the docs, particularly when he gave his suggestions for Captains Holiday !! :guffaw:
     
  2. davejames

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    I never really had a problem with Picard's characterization. Obviously at times during the first season he could be a bit cold and unlikeable, but from that point on I thought he came across perfectly fine. He was still a bit of a stuffy diplomatic type of course, but that's what I thought made him so cool and unique.

    The more they loosened him up and made him a hunky action hero, the less interesting I thought he actually became.

    In fact in the movies it's only when he's giving speeches and getting morally outraged at something that it really feels like "Picard" to me.
     
  3. MikeS

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    I have to disagree with you here. I thought the portrayal was spot-on. When you unexpectedly lose a parent you do act cool and calm and there's alot to be organised. It is only later that it hits you and you break down, just as Jeremy did.

    That said, I am reflecting on my experience as a 30 year old man, not an eight year old boy...
     
  4. davejames

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    Hate to admit it, but "Booby Trap" just isn't working for me as well as it used to. It's obviously got a great atmosphere to it, and the effects and score are still fantastic... but the story just seems so full of holes now.

    First there's the conceit that Geordi-- the freakin Chief Engineer-- doesn't know what the interior of his warp core looks like, or have every square inch of that thing already memorized. And instead of consulting with his staff of highly trained engineers (or hell, even Data) during this supposedly urgent crisis, he wastes time talking to a hologram and looking at diagrams he could just as easily have looked at on a computer screen.

    And after aaaall that, the solution turns out to be simply using the ship's thrusters to maneuver out of the asteroid field. Something which I HAVE to believe would have already been suggested or tried by someone (and even then, I have to wonder why the thrusters worked so well when the impulse engines clearly didn't; shouldn't they operate on the same basic principle?).

    And then finally there's the idea that Picard's reflexes would somehow be better for flying them out of the asteroid field than the lightning-fast reflexes of either the computer or Data. Umm, yeah... sure, whatever you say. :D
     
  5. Patrick O'Brien

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    ^You make a solid argument for the "holes" in the story. But I still enjoy the episode because of the great atmosphere, the effects, and the score that are still fantastic;)
     
  6. Jeyl

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    Again, there's the problem. We have an eight year old boy acting like a 30 year old adult. I remember when I was eight years old and whenever things got bad, I always went to my mother for help and support. I can't say what my exact reaction would have been if my mother had died when I was still eight, but I guarantee you that my first question would not have been "How, sir?" followed by "I understand."

    The only way this depiction could have worked is if they made Jeremy a Vulcan child. It certainly would have made for an interesting storyline involving the exploration and understanding of what makes us different. Imagine Picard getting all worked up over the thought of having to tell a child that their only parent died and realizing that the Vulcan child's acceptance of her death is not what he had expected. Is being openly accepting of death to the point you don't grieve over the loss of a loved one a good thing, or a bad thing? Does it mean that there was no real relationship between the mother and child, or is there something buried deep inside that we don't fully understand? You know, let's explore something that's unique to Star Trek that hasn't been done in Star Trek before!
     
  7. davejames

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    ^ Not every kid behaves in exactly the same way to a situation. Some burst into tears at the drop of a hat, and others become almost numb to the outside world and need more time to process their emotions. Especially someone like Jeremy who's already lost one parent, and is probably in a state of shock that he just lost another.

    Of course it didn't help that the Jeremy actor wasn't all that good. You could see him really trying, but it just wasn't happening.
     
  8. Jefferies

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    Have been looking at the sales rank of season three on amazon.com and it's currently only at 83 in the blu ray segment and 12 in blu ray and sci fi. Not exactly tremendous. Season one seemed to sell slightly better if I remember correctly.

    What do people think is this an indication interest isn't as high as it could be? Are sales lagging behind?
     
  9. Aatrek

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    The biggest issue is that the releases are barely being promoted. If there was more money put into marketing the Blu-ray releases, more might be selling.
     
  10. BillJ

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    Should put some promotion on the front of Into Darkness while it is in theaters.
     
  11. LOKAI of CHERON

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    I don't think there's any threat to the remaining TNG seasons. But if sales drop off significantly, it may make CBS more hesitant to start work on HD DS9/VOY.
     
  12. Beta-Z

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  13. BillJ

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    X Files will be just fine with HDTV. Nobody will study its VFX to the same anal degree as our fanbase.

    Trek involves the camera lingering on photorealistic ships and planets. X Files briefly glimpsing weird stuff out in the woods.
     
  15. BillJ

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    Unless HTV scrubs all the detail out of the live-action footage... :eek:
     
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    My wife and I watched a few episodes of ST TNG S3 last night, and I have to say that the presentation is simply outstanding. The picture looks very cinematic, and exceedingly so at moments of clarity, most noticeably on the bridge where the lighting is even and really shines through.

    With that said, X-Files is my second favorite franchise after Star Trek and even though X-files does not involve as much VFX, the news that HTV is working on it makes me cringe. The live action shots in S2 looked flat compared to S1 and S3. I expect the same for X-Files now, and what a shame. I had really hoped that X-Files would get the proper treatment, and commissioning HTV to do the work is not what I would call good news. Ugh. I'm very disappointed at this news.
     
  17. Aatrek

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    My favorite one so far (I must have played it back 10 times)

    Worf in the conference room, close up, he's supposed to get up and leave but doesn't then off screen,
    Patrick goes off on him to get his ass in gear. :guffaw:
     
  19. Angel4576

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    Just hope that they've learned how to apply DNR consistently.....

    Re the upconverted VFX - Firefly didn't look that bad on BD in the end. It won't be up to TNG-R standard, but then that's the benchmark at the moment.
     
  20. Jeyl

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    Oh, nice. This is the season that contains all the face palming from Picard and Riker.