Season SEVEN OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Mutai Sho-Rin, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. FrontierTrek

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    The original "extended" 1h32m cut of AGT has always been available on DVD, and will be available on Blu-ray too.
     
  2. jimbotron

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    All Good Things has never been on DVD in the split syndicated format. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
     
  3. Maxwell Everett

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    As someone who owns all 11 Blu-ray releases thus far, I'm just a tiny bit disappointed that they didn't put the split version of "Encounter at Farpoint" on the Season One set. We know they made them, of course, since Part I and Part II aired on BBC America. But I know the people who didn't pick up the Next Level sampler disc would have been furious. But it would have made a certain kind of sense: keep all the split parts on the season sets and put the movie-length versions on the stand alone releases.

    But, unfortunately, the split versions of the pilot and finale will never be available on disc. I'm not saying I prefer those versions, I just mean for completeness sake.
     
  4. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Speaking of AGT, is it true that Christian Slater appeared in it (as a character named 'Sutcliffe') but all of his scenes were cut?
     
  5. BillJ

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    I can't speak for anyone else, but I honestly don't see the point. What purpose would it serve to put the butchered versions of these episodes on the discs? Unless I'm missing something, there is nothing there of real value like scenes inserted that weren't there in the original aired versions.
     
  6. Hober Mallow

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    You're not missing anything on the cut version, unless you really want to hear that guy say, "Last tiiiiime, on 'Encounter at Farpoint."
     
  7. MakeshiftPython

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    If there's any benefit to the two part version of the pilot, it's that some of the fat was cut out like that incidental scene with Worf in engineering. I think it makes sense to want to have all versions available.
     
  8. Doug Otte

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    Slater was in STVI but I don't remember ever reading that he was in AGT.
     
  9. Harvey

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    I've seen a Christian Slater appearance in the finale mentioned online in a few places, but I've never seen it confirmed anywhere.

    Apparently the finale has a few deleted scenes, so it's possible. A shame they didn't produce more extended episodes like they did with "The Measure of a Man."
     
  10. ChristopherPike

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    TV Movie editions of "Time's Arrow", "Birthright", "Descent" and "Gambit" too. If I might join in on the wishful thinking discussion of wanting every conceivable variant, beyond the 176 show run.
     
  11. MakeshiftPython

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    I think that episode's case was more unique because it had an unusual amount of deleted material compared to other episodes and they had a VHS tape to use as a reference.
     
  12. Mr. Laser Beam

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    To clarify, Sutcliffe appears in the novelization as one of O'Brien's friends, during a scene where they bump into Keiko (apparently it's O'Brien's first meeting with her).
     
  13. TV's Frank

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    Then be prepared to face the wrath of TREK fans who will complain very loudly about having to pay for the same episode twice. And it really would be space better spent on special features, commentaries and such. I mean, yes, there is the "sake of completeness" argument, but that argument is just a shadowy nudge from anal-rentative, overly-obessive decisions. I can't speak for everyone else, but when I want to watch "Encounter at Farpoint", I'm happy to put on the feature-length version. If I need to take a break at the half way mark, I just turn it off.
     
  14. jimbotron

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    I agree. MoaM is unique in that it's heavily dialogue-driven, and it was written by a writer not experienced in TV writing, so there was way more than a 45-minute episode could contain.

    Based on the other deleted scenes we've seen, I think the only other ones that would make an impact reinserted in the episodes are the Jellico scenes in Chain of Command and the Troi scene in Relics. All others felt superfluous.
     
  15. MakeshiftPython

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    That's what seamless branching is for.
     
  16. TV's Frank

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    Which could still affect what other material can be included on the same disc, such as all the vintage special features from the DVD sets and could still increase costs. Unless someone here who actually works in Blu-ray production and knows how feasible or not seamless branching is in a set such as this, everyone is just making blind assumptions.
     
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  17. MakeshiftPython

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    They had no trouble working that out with the much more elaborate "The Measure of a Man" with the extended AND hybrid cuts. Given that there wasng much on that first disc (the demonstration on remastering and episode promos), I would assume there'd be room to have those bits of the syndicated cut intergrated since all has been said and done, it doesn't matter anyway. The syndicated cuts are available to buy on iTunes and such.
     
  18. Maxwell Everett

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    Good point -- and no one that I'm aware of complained about having to pay for three separate versions of that episode. Besides, it doesn't make sense: why would you complain about getting MORE content for your money?

    And yeah, there's approximately 5.37 GB free on disc one of the Season One set, so including the extra branched video streams necessary to view the pilot in two separate parts would likely have been achievable. Just a lost opportunity, I guess. Would've been nice to have them in equal quality with DTS-HD MA audio. But as you said, what's done is done.
     
  19. jimbotron

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    Measure of a Man didn't use branching between the broadcast and extended cuts. The two versions used completely separate masters with different encodes, color timing and even framing.

    I think the hybrid cut did branch into the extended cut however. I recently ripped the disc and looked at the file structure. Oddly the extended cut is about 1GB SMALLER than the broadcast cut despite being 13 minutes longer.
     
  20. Robert Comsol

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    I can't help wondering: Back in 2011 a special presentation was set up for CBS exexutives to watch one TNG episode (my bet remains "Sins of the Father") in widescreen and in 4:3.

    The only eyewitness report we ever got was positive and in favor of the widescreen version, I think it would be nice to finally see that in the bonus section of Season 7 to get the idea, at least.

    Bob