Season FOUR OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Savage Dragon, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. davejames

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    What the heck is their problem with Silicon Avatar?? I just recently rewatched it, and I think it's still as solid as ever.

    Even if you have a beef with the way the scientist lady was treated at the end, there was still a lot of other good character stuff in that ep. As well as some great effects and planet sequences.
     
  2. tomalak301

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    I was just browsing through those rankings and they rated Family a 4? They called it boring? Who wrote those reviews. While I don't agree with all of his reviews, At least Jammer seemed a bit more fair.
     
  3. Savage Dragon

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    I don't pay attention to reviewers for the most part. I know what I like and that's all that matters.
     
  4. LogicDeLuxe

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    Sounds logical. On the other hand, we have a lot of real monitor shots done in 24 fps. I've read somewhere, that it was common practice to rather match the refresh on those CRT's to film rather than vice versa.
    And this doesn't explain at all the reason behind the unusual frame rate in "Identity Crisis".
     
  5. SpHeRe31459

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    It's been said that it depends on the VFX team doing the episode Curry or Legato. Dan Curry liked 30 fps so every other episode has it's VFX done that way. It was kind of odd, but one had a distinct preference for doing at video speed rather than film speed. Which could help explain "Identity Crisis".

    http://trekcore.com/blog/2012/09/exclusive-trekcore-interviews-cbs-digital-part-ii/
     
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    Yep there were special CRTs monitors that you could get that were sync'ed at 48Hz so it was in step with the 24 fps film system and wouldn't show the rolling refresh bar you can see when not syn'ed. These kind of monitors were on the bridge sets of all the Trek movies and TV shows throughout the '80s and '90s AFAIK.
     
  8. jimbotron

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    Are you sure? That pan included live action elements, which would have been shot on film, which is only 24 frames per second. The only time the frame rate varied in production from 24 to 30 frames per second would be model shots.

    If you're watching a Blu-ray on an older HDTV that only refreshes at 60Hz, then you will experience judder as you would from a DVD.
     
  9. SpHeRe31459

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    I actually happened to put in WAHP yesterday afternoon to watch for fun, and I didn't see anything particularly bad about that scene, but since this discussion hadn't come up yet, I also wasn't looking for it either.
     
  10. tomalak301

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    Trailer is Out!!!! (Thanks to Trekcore of course ;) )

    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zfR5T2mlCts[/yt]

    Some thoughts:

    -The remastering looks pretty good. I'm not sure if it's as spectacularly clear as CBS-D would have it but I would say it's a big improvement over HTV

    -Was season 4 a comedy season? The reason I ask is because while the Season 3 trailer focused on action and adventure, Season 4's seems a little more light hearted (Family?, Sibling Rivalry, "This is what you do for fun"). I've never really thought of Season 4 as a comedy year before but it's really interesting the contrast between the Season 3 and Season 4 trailers. I really do hope we get the Season 4 Trailer (And season 5 trailer) on the sets themselves because these are actually really fun to watch.
     
  11. SpHeRe31459

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    Hard to tell from the pretty highly compressed video, but yeah I'd say like 90%-95% of what CBS-D can do. So for a 3rd party that seems quite acceptable.
     
  12. FrontierTrek

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    Watch it in 1080p... it's better.

    We'll have better quality downloads available in the near future
     
  13. davejames

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    Yeah, it's probably not the best-constructed trailer we've seen, but the footage itself still looks great I think.

    There was one slightly iffy effects shot where the Enterprise had a brighter, golden look for some reason. But everything else looked fantastic.
     
  14. SpHeRe31459

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    I did, I was referring to the compression artifacts that crept in there towards the end, the video in general looks a little poorer than previous season trailers. So I assume when you get back from the big LA event we'll have better versions available :)
     
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    Talking about at 0:30? That's the only place in the video I could find that might be what you're referring to.
     
  16. tomalak301

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    I just noticed that on a second view. It looked like the ship was Brown. Hopefully on the finished version this is something they fix. Not entirely a big deal, but hopefully they caught it.
     
  17. FrontierTrek

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    No no no! That's PART of the episode guys. The Enterprise is bathed in the light of the star from "Half a Life". Here are the original caps: http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=95&page=3
     
  18. tomalak301

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    Ok, I haven't seen the episode in a while so I probably forgot. Still, it looked like they dimmed the lighting on the HD version, which is nice.
     
  19. SpHeRe31459

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    As TrekCore/FronterTrek has reported, CBS-D did the conform on Season 4, so they would have done the final composite and color correction, etc. They've always done things with good taste and pretty true to the original compositions. So if that's how it looks, then blame the original TNG team ;)
     
  20. davejames

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    Oh ok, cool. I just didn't remember them doing the "cast light" effect very often on TNG. But apparently in this instance they did.