Season FIVE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

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  1. Harvey

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    I wonder so much footage is missing from this season, but not from the earlier ones?

    (Granted, in this case "so much" is four minutes out of several hundred...)
     
  2. jimbotron

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    Wow, three minutes? That's really bad. Three seconds here and there, fine, but entire scenes? CBS-D must feel pretty awful about that.

    I hope they find it sometime and do a disc replacement.
     
  3. MakeshiftPython

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  4. Enterprise is Great

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    Well that sucks major ass.
     
  5. Maxwell Everett

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    It's actually not four minutes or even three. The total is 2:20. There's about half a minute right at the start of "The First Duty" which is probably the most obvious and problematic material to upscale because it's a brightly-lit bridge scene... and then there are less than two minutes upconverted right in the middle of "Power Play" spread over about five or so shots. The longest portion lasts about a minute. It's when the possessed O'Brien first starts to harass Keiko. The rest are fairly quick shots that come and go before that. The good thing about the Ten Forward scenes are that they are lit low-key and are less obvious.
     
  6. FrontierTrek

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    The upscaled passages are nowhere near as bad as you might think. They've done a VERY good job. At most, the sections just look like the camera-man has pulled a bad focus. CBSD have matched the grain very well to "blend-in" the affected parts. Maxwell Everett is right in that "The First Duty" segment is the worse of the two, but even that didn't pull me out of the episode too much.
     
  7. MickJo1701

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    For me this really isn't an issue, they've made the effort to match the SD shots to the new HD version. The film negative is missing, it can't be helped.
     
  8. MakeshiftPython

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    Yup. It was bound to happen, but it's still too bad. Would be great if at some point those negatives can be found. Time will tell.
     
  9. LOKAI of CHERON

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    Even if they do locate the original footage - there's not a chance in hell a free disc replacement program will be offered.
     
  10. jimbotron

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    Why not? There's already a precedent for disc replacement. They even replaced a disc from season 1 that had missing VFX even though it didn't have the audio errors that caused the replacement in the first place.
     
  11. jimbotron

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    OK, 2:20 is a little easier to swallow. And it's good that for The First Duty, it's all in the beginning so it's out of the way immediately.

    When I watch the episodes that have SD footage, I get taken out of the episode because I'm thinking "it's coming up soon."

    In cases like this, I'd be in favor of using alternate takes if they exist. It beats the alternative.
     
  12. LOKAI of CHERON

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    The Season 1 disc replacement program was due to the egregious errors made across multiple episodes with the audio encoding. IMO, the VFX fixes were simply a "bonus" because they had the opportunity to do so with the new discs anyway.

    Two or three minutes of footage which the vast majority of patrons will likely not kick up any real fuss about will not be incentive for CBS to reduce profits by producing a new run of discs for free.
     
  13. Ghostface1701

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    That's a matter of opinion. Personally, I'd rather they used the takes the director intended, rather than use sub-standard ones that belong on the cutting room floor.
     
  14. Maxwell Everett

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    Of course, this has already occurred in a select few instances (namely "Q Who?" and "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II"). I consider myself a fairly perceptive fan and I was totally fooled. The only thing I noticed was that in BOBW II the musical cue began a bit too early (which was later corrected on S4).
     
  15. MakeshiftPython

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    Curious, what different take was used for "Q Who?" I know the extended version of "The Measure of a Man" used alternate takes on some bits (likely because that's what the early VHS cut used before the final cut settled with which takes).
     
  16. Tosk

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  17. jimbotron

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    The alternate takes in season 2, wasn't that likely a result of HTV's automated conforming software?
     
  18. MakeshiftPython

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    Wow, no wonder I couldn't notice. Pretty easy to pull off.
     
  19. Jaro Stun

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    does the new shot look better or worse? The old (despite "erroneous") shot was really nice, dramatic violent phaser discharges.
    Are you telling they just took some other phaser shot from BOBW andf replaced it...? If so....omg...WHYYYY
     
  20. BeatleJWOL

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    Word over on the Blu-ray.com forums is that there will be no Target deal for S5 and Unification like there have been for seasons 3 and 4.
     

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