Season 2 Klingons

Discussion in 'Star Trek - Original Series' started by Carl West, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. nightwind1

    nightwind1 Commodore Commodore

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    Plus, the original plan was to have Koloth as a recurring antagonist. The explanation being that his ship's patrol zone was contiguous to Kirk's, but on the other side of the Neutral Zone.
     
  2. GSchnitzer

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    I would suspect that Star Trek Phase II is indeed the chief offender in this regard. In order to "continuously" run into the same characters, it presupposes that we are "continuously" generating episodes. I can't think of many other productions that generate enough episodes that there would even be any opportunity for such credulity-straining coincidences.

    Obviously, of course, tapping into and relying upon the same people repeatedly (e.g. John Carrigan as "Kargh") is a cost-saving and time-saving measure--an important consideration for a production on a shoestring budget. But I think we do indeed suffer from "small universe" mentality. I think that's probably true of Star Trek in general.
     
  3. Warped9

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    It certainly became true of Trek post TOS.
     
  4. GSchnitzer

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    Yes. And in hindsight, it's hard to imagine that instead of having John Colicos reprise his role is Kor, it was considered a better choice to have--what was the actor's name? Ned Romero?--play the part of that compelling Klingon figure--what was his name? Krell?

    If there was indeed a decision to avoid a "small universe" and to not use John Colicos as Kor, the drawback seems to have been a three-in-a-row series of weak second season Klingons.
     
  5. Elder Knight

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    When Abraham Lincoln showed up in a later episode, some of the poorer history students probably thought he was supposed to be a Klingon.

    ;)
     
  6. Maurice

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    I understand the practical reasons for a fanflim to have a recurring character moreso than a prefessional TV series like Star Trek.

    The problem with the 2nd season Klingons was the writing, not the actors.
     
  7. DrCorby

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    LOVE IT!! Glad I wasn't taking a drink when I read that. Well done! :guffaw:
     
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  9. Tribble Herder

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    Trying to imagine "Hello, Darlin'" in Klingon... :wtf:
     
  10. Uxi

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    I've always liked the idea of the John Ford Janissary-style hybrid Klingons better than the "You have no honor" schtick TNG gave us, much less the augment virus idea (though I did like Brent Spiner's use there). The turning point was decided when they did the Albino thing, of course, so it was lost.

    I never minded the Season 2 Klinks, though.
     
  11. MANT!

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    K'Bob The Discount Klingon is displeased with this thread..
     
  12. Warped9

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    Yeah, this was about as low-grade as you could get. :lol:
     
  13. Wingsley

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    Can someone Photoshop an Amish straw hat and a pitchfork into that Tige Andrews image?

    That would be perfect.

    Extra credit (a pound of topaline ore) for inserting a stem into his mouth. :lol:
     
  14. Nerys Myk

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    This was the point that Adam Greer decided that he couldn't pass as a young hippy a need to recruit a "mod squad" to go undercover.
     
  15. Tribble Herder

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    To be fair, they did make the Klingons a little swarthy in the second season. Just not as much as the first and third.
     
  16. Maurice

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    According to one of those VHS intros done by the cast for UK VHS releases in the 90s Tigh Andrews (Bob the Discount Klingon, above) was supposed to be the Klingon in Tribbles but but was unavailable, which is why the role went to William Campbell. This may be apocryphal, but there you go.

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBK5ag304zs[/yt]
     
  17. Wingsley

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    ^ Doesn't make sense. We saw Kras get killed by the Keel the Capellan in "Friday's Child".
     
  18. Tribble Herder

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    Time to drag out that old copy of Gerrold's book on the subject.

    I don't remember any reference to Andrews...
     
  19. Maurice

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    They didn't say he was going to play Kras. They said he was going to play the character that ended up being Koloth.
     
  20. AtoZ

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    Those looking to take offense and act all high and mighty aside, I have enjoyed watching this discussion go down. And while I see the point made about "low grade" Klingons, for my money the worst of the worst was William Campbell....a MARVELOUS actor...improperly utilized and arguably miscast in his role as a Klingon.

    He was BRILLIANT as Trelane...but as a low budget Klingon.....sorry.