Season 1 is underrated, and better than season 7

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  1. CorporalClegg

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    I agree. It's totally underappreciated.

    And, not only would I agree it's better than season seven, I'd even argue it's better than season six.

    TNG eventually got to the point where it was repetitive and dull, and everyone seemed like they were simply going through the motions.
     
  2. CrazyMatt

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    Seasons One and Seven were similar only in their unevenness. Quality wise, Season Seven's best episodes ("The Pegasus," "Lower Decks," "Preemptive Strike," "All Good Things") are miles above the best episodes of Season One ("The Big Goodbye," "Conspiracy" and "11001001").

    Conversely, while Season Seven had a number of forgettable episodes, none approached the banality of Season One dogs like "Code Of Honor," "Justice" and "Symbiosis."

    Why?

    Now for some heresy!

    Let's be honest... a major reason for this is the comparative involvement of Gene Roddenberry, who was simultaneously Star Trek's greatest asset and greatest liability, as he had been since he first pitched TOS in the early 60's. Unfortunately by the 80s, the balance had swung well towards the liability side.

    Season One was the product of GR's utopian dreams run amok... a bevy of heavy "message" stories that did little to entertain the audience in the process. This "GR Utopia Syndrome" would dog TNG until he began to step back from day-to-day production, allowing the fruits of labors from Michael Piller, Ira Behr (albeit briefly), Ron Moore, et al. to carry the show to greater heights than could be imagined based on what we saw during Season One.
     
  3. The Old Building & Loan

    The Old Building & Loan Auld Lang Mod Moderator

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    I'll second the heresy.
     
  4. CrazyMatt

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    Yikes!

    THE RIDDLER: Riddle me this Caped Crusaders: what do these Season Six TNG episodes have in common?

    "Relics"
    "True Q"
    "A Fistful of Datas"
    "Chain of Command, Parts I and II"
    "Ship in a Bottle"
    "Face of the Enemy"
    "Tapestry"
    "Starship Mine"
    "Frame of Mind"
    "Rightful Heir"
    "Timescape"

    ROBIN: That's easy... they're all much better episodes than ANY episode from Season One!

    BATMAN: That's right, old chum.
     
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  5. just.a.trekkie

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    Two words: no beard
     
  6. JirinPanthosa

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    I just saw Devil in the Dark for the first time.

    And simultaneously lost a huge amount of the respect I had for Home Soil. It's pretty much the exact same episode only it's an energy wisp instead of a big silly-looking blob carpet.

    @robau

    The entire series was dripping with idealism, only later seasons carried it more charismatically.
     
  7. Lance

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    You're right. The lack of a beard totally makes season one better than season 7. ;)
     
  8. desfem79

    desfem79 Lieutenant Commander

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    I liked Symbiosis lol..
     
  9. desfem79

    desfem79 Lieutenant Commander

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    Yikes! Season 6 being better than 7 is a physical law! ;)
     
  10. 2takesfrakes

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    ... Quoted for Truth!
     
  11. BillJ

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    I find everyone of the episodes you listed incredibly dull. That was TNG's biggest issue, the longer it ran the duller it got.

    I'll take seasons one and two over what came later any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
     
  12. MakeshiftPython

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    Could you elaborate on why those sixth season episodes are not as good as what the first season brought to the table? For example, narrowing it down to Q, what is it that makes "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Hide and Q" better than "True Q" and "Tapestry"?
     
  13. Harvey

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    "True Q" isn't a great episode, but I think "Tapestry" is one of the best things ever done with Q.

    "Hide and Q" is a mess which bumbles its moral message and goes for a Riker/Q dynamic that doesn't work. The Picard/Q scenes in the episode are terrific, but the rest of it is a meandering mess.
     
  14. Enterprise is Great

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    TNG season one tried too much to be like the original series (which I love) for my tastes and it pretty much failed to do so. It's one reason why I find season one a chore to sit through. It really wasn't until season 3 (and somewhat season 2) that they found their own voice. I much prefer seasons 3-6 over the first two. Season seven while now great had more higher quality episodes than season 1.
     
  15. YellowSubmarine

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    I think the moment they first stepped on their new holodeck was one of my favourite things to witness in the season. I remember being 9 and thinking, oh my god, they are on a space ship, they are up there in space, and all of a sudden you go inside this artificial environment that makes all these trees, bushes, lakes and stuff. I don't even remember which episode it was, but I was so thrilled and though they should get such on actual spaceships, cause they felt so cold and metallic and lonesome up there.
     
  16. Hober Mallow

    Hober Mallow Commodore Commodore

    Season six is interesting in that it has both the best Q episode -- "Tapestry" -- and the worst Q episode -- "True Q." "True Q" is truly awful.

    As far as season seven goes, aside from "Lower Decks," "All Good Things," and maybe "Parallels," I honestly don't care if I ever see another season seven episode.
     
  17. Harvey

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    No love for "Pegasus?"
     
  18. diankra

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    Me too. Season one is far from great, but as a 'shakedown cruise' it's pretty good (particularly if you blot the 'Wesley saves the day' moments from your memory. Which does obviously involve a liberal use of SHADO amnesia drugs). There's half a dozen genuinely strong episodes in there (and, while people are right about it being a failed attempt to do the original series, at the time it seemed like a surprisingly successful attempt to continue the original series. But maybe I'd just watched a bit too much of season three in the BBC's last rerun, having finally forced myself to stick with them so I'd have seen every episode).
    Whereas season seven is the start of the Voyager ratio: half a dozen truly great, startling episodes, but they were the only reason you stayed tuned for the 20-odd bits of production line soap with added technobabble.
     
  19. Lance

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    The thing which struck me even on first viewing is how relatively lifeless "Ship In A Bottle" felt compared to "Elementary, Dear Data". Even with the same guest star, and with numerous callbacks to the earlier episode, it felt like "Ship In A Bottle" came from a completely different series... a much, much less interesting one.
     
  20. Harvey

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    I always thought that image of the book evaporating when Picard throws it out the doorway was pretty memorable. That, and the scene where Barclay nearly breaks the fourth wall at the end. But, I'm rather fond of stories with reality vs. illusion themes.

    "Elementary, Dear Data" is certainly a memorable early episode, but the last time I saw it I felt like the climax was thoroughly rushed. It has better music, though.