Salt Water Nacelles?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by KirkusOveractus, Dec 7, 2012.

  1. Keeper

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    I do not think it crashes. I believe the ship enters the water away from the target, perhaps from hundreds of miles away. It then approaches with stealth then bursts out of the water surprising someone off guard. It's the Titan scene revamped. Of course that begs some questions to be answered...

    Should we be considering how it maneuvers underwater? Impulse engines? Wouldn't water touching the impulse engines exhaust generate steam? We can see the shields are down, but perhaps it would be more logical, though not as pretty, if they were up? Do impulse engines thrust penetrate through the screens or is there opening for it to get through? If so, would water get in through the opening? Aren't there supposed to be vents in various areas over the ship? Wouldn't water get into them unless they were louvered? How come it doesn't just float - or sink? Do the warp coils, (hugh magnets, right?) weigh just enough to make it buoyancy neutral?

    Wait, this is Nutrek. Those questions no longer matter, it just has to look cool. :cool:
     
  2. CaptainJack

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    I personally have never liked the small size that Star Trek Ships are depicted as being. There cant be much internal space/volume when they are that small. I wish they were at least 2x bigger than what they show.
     
  3. Herkimer Jitty

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    The fans behind the nacelle caps are clearly for underwater propulsion. They should however operate unimpeded were they to be obstructed by anthropomorphic weapons arrays.

    Only question is, what manner of woven (possibly straw) covering is capable of protecting the bridge dome from the extreme pressures of undersea travel? Could it be stylish and central american, perhaps?

    Might the Enterprise require large, visible sensor globes atop this covering? With their large white surfaces, and small dark apertures, they may appear to be silly googly eyes, but such an addition would be a necessity.

    Are there oars out the side of the engineering hull like a Roman Liburna to assist with propulsion? How is the ship steered?
     
  4. Photoman15

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    So you believe a ship can travel in space and at warp speeds but you have a problem believing it can't survive under water? It flies in space, it's water tight for God's sake.
     
  5. Ríu ríu chíu

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    ^ I don't see any reason why the Enterprise, or indeed any ship that damned big, would ever be built for underwater travel.

    That's the purview of small, fast, nimble ships like shuttlecraft. The Delta Flyer, for example.
     
  6. SantaEddie74

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    While I'm no fan of wanting to see Federation starships zipping through alien oceans like some gargantuan SeaQuestDSV with warp engines when we think about it we have to admit we've seen an Enterprise do something similar even if we don't usually think of it that way.

    In "The Immunity Syndrome(TOS)" the Enterprise traveled through the liquid cytoplasm of the monstrous space amoeba/single-celled organism and was enveloped by fluids from the moment it penetrated the outer membrane and entered the creature until Spock freed them all at the end of the episode. So, yes, an Enterprise can travel through a liquid environment of sorts even if what we saw in TOS wasn't a sea or ocean.

    Just sayin'. There is a precedent even if it's not immediately obvious or a perfect analogy.
     
  7. M'Sharak

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    You'll note that Photoman did not say that it was built for underwater travel, only that it ought to be able to survive being submerged. I don't believe anyone is suggesting that a starship could go deep-sea diving. eddie also has a point about the TOS Enterprise going mobile inside the space amoeba - wasn't designed for that, obviously, but the ship's construction is rugged enough to survive it as long as they don't get too crazy.
     
  8. Timo

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    ...Also, Trek shuttlecraft are shaped like bricks, but somehow slip through the air in such a fashion that they even have the ability to glide when engine power is inevitably lost...

    Might be shield magic. If shields can give these bricks the perfect aerodynamic shape, they can probably make an arbitrarily shaped starship ideally shaped for underwater travel, too. I wouldn't want to be a fish in the vicinity when such a thing passes at 1/10 impulse, but then again, I wouldn't want to be a fish to begin with.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  9. King Daniel Beyond

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    JJ Abrams to the rescue!
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  10. Therin of Andor

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    Fluiditic space.
     
  11. CaptainJack

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    Although that is better. I still wish they were a little bit bigger. Too bad this image doesnt have a real US Shuttle to show for size comparison. It think the old original Enterprise would be about 2-3 times bigger if that...
     
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  12. Keeper

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    I like the "crashing upside down" theory... HERE Patrickivan posted the above IMG with outlines drawn which show both the struts have been built with the kinks, (illogical) or they both buckled slightly upon impact, (logical) Check these links to other posts on the site with similar looking ships. The first one is a Fan Production about Garth himself.

    https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/543457_10151023328942130_821615289_n.jpg @ this thread
    http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac330/KingDaniel01/Akyazi.jpg @ this thread
     
  13. Anji

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    Anybody ever watch the episode of "UFO Hunters" where they discuss USO's or Unidentified Submersible Objects? Seems to me the writers of this script did. They've been discussing USO's on the History Channel for the past two years!
     
  14. mos6507

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    If you want to talk about spaceships underwater, the most famous ship that did this as a matter of routine was the Argo (Yamato) in Starblazers. But then again, it itself was a converted battleship, so it kind of makes sense. It both floated like a ship and could go underwater. In the remake they even made it turn upside down while in the water (artificial gravity being what it is). But that's really a Yamato thing, not a Trek thing.
     
  15. Captain Rob

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    I seem to remember a videeo that was posted a while back of a large model of the E-refit zooming around underwater in a swimming pool. It had some sort of thruster in the hangar bay and it waas also lit up. Looked really cool.
    Anyone want to see the Enterprise go to warp while underwater?
     
  16. Grup

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    I have to admit to not reading all 4 pages of posts so please forgive me if this was questioned. I read two pages and gleaned the rest.

    I don't see the Enterprise rising out of the water. I see a two nacelle ship with NCC designations. No 1701. Nor do I see the saucer. Could the Enterprise have a vessel on board that is capable of underwater responsibilities? Like a shuttlecraft for aquatic maneuvers.

    If there is a screenshot clearly depicting the 1701 designation, can you link me? Thanks.
     
  17. M'Sharak

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    Here's a cap which Chem made and posted in another thread:

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    It's not perfect, but the identity of the ship attached to that nacelle seems reasonably clear.
     
  18. Grup

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    The nacelles are in the foreground of the clip correct? This is at the back of the ship. I don't see the forward part of the ship. The saucer. I attached the first image I came across to illustrate my confusion. Granted the angles are different but if the nacelles are rising up, shouldn't I be able to see the saucer? I don't think it's farther ahead of the area we can 'clearly' see as the water appears to be undisturbed ahead of this part. You might have to draw me a picture. hahaha Thanks for what you've done so far though.

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  19. SantaEddie74

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    I guess Starfleet affixed new "NCC-1701" graphics to the ship's warp nacelle casings at some point after the Nero crisis and the new ones are in a different, more TOS and Prime timeline-esque font similar to what we've always been familiar with.
     
  20. M'Sharak

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    This is looking toward the front from roughly 45 degrees off the aft view, yes. If you look to the far right of the larger image, just ahead of the forward end of the right nacelle, you can see what looks like an edge of the saucer, barely breaking the surface of the water.