Saldana: Uhura-Spock

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by TrekToday, Mar 1, 2013.

  1. Cake

    Cake Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Dec 10, 2010
    Women (and men) either like science fiction and may therefore consider watching Star Trek, or they don't and no romance will convince them otherwise. Someone who is into romantic movies has much better alternatives. There are so many movies out there, where everything revolves around a love story, where it is the focus of the movie.

    Slash shippers dominate a lot of fandoms. I could name tons of other fandoms, where a non canon slash ship is much more popular than a canon straight ship. The Star Trek fandom is only one of many. Which proves again, that the argument, that they had to add a romance into the movie to attract female viewers is nonsense. If Spock/Uhura is such a huge draw to women, there would be much more S/U shippers out there. I think the number of women, who watched the last Star Trek movie ONLY because they heard of the Spock/Uhura romance, is very tiny. I think nearly all woman who have seen it in the cinema would have watched it without Spock/Uhura, too.

    I think they added the romance, because it is one way to emotionally connect characters with each other. Other ways are for example family bonds and friendships, which they have also shown in the movie. If a romance is done well, it can add to the personality of the characters in question, makes them more interesting. The opposite can happen of course, too, which I think was the case in the last movie.

    Personally I felt that Spock was acting very human in the last movie. The romance was one reason for it among others. If they go even further this way in the next movie, he will be an alien only on paper, which would be a bad development in my opinion. The rest of the main characters are already full humans, they shouldn't eliminate all Vulcan behavioural characteristics from Spock. For example making out in public in front of an audience feels really not Vulcan to me. After all the main difference between Vulcans and humans are, that the Vulcans are suppressing their emotions and don't show them openly all the time.

    The S/U romance helped to increase Uhura's screentime, but unfortunately she is also the perfect example of this trope now, which I hate:

    It just can't get more cliche than to only have one important female character and then to pair her up with one of the male main characters.

    They didn't bother to do this:

  2. SalvorHardin

    SalvorHardin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Mar 6, 2008
    Star's End

    Perhaps this is one of the things Alice Eve's Carol Marcus will fix. After all, she supposedly plays a key role in defeating Cumby.
  3. Malaika

    Malaika Captain Captain

    Jul 1, 2012
    and also make people (us) relate to the characters more

    I beg to differ. Refer to the meta I previously linked to.
    Women of color like Uhura are never the love interest especially for the main white guy so this whole smurfette principle doesn't really fit with Uhura and it kind of sounds like an excuse to go backwards or justify something that, in her case at least, was - actually - a huge flaw for Nichelle's Uhura that the reboot corrected or attempted to correct, it seems.

    it can't be cliché because in Uhura's case being the one important female character (at all) that also is the love interest of an iconic character is damn progressive as the same character wasn't allowed to be any of that in the 60s

    In her case, the cliché and the actual trope for characters like her would be the writers doing the very opposite thing.

    Nichelle Nichols: "I decided then from the character that I read [Spock] that I wanted to be very much like that character but in a feminine way. And Gene said, and I was sharing this with George the other day, when I told him that I thought of Spock as my mentor. Because if you remember Uhura was the only one he was able to teach the Vulcan lyre too and he sang and spooffed on Spock. Now, you could have never had a love scene in 63 between Uhura and Spock but there were several hints and [back to Roddenberry] Gene was one in the kind of beginning to follow that and he wanted to do episodes if we had gone past the third year"

    It's kinda ironic that now that a pair Roddenberry himself had tried to set up but it was forbidden to do so by the bigotry of the 60s, some people want everything to go backwards and they turn something that actually was a flaw (racism directed at Nichelle and consequently the way her character was developed or not developed) into a quality.

    Honestly? Going feminist 101 on nuUhura only now that she , coincidentally, happens to be Spock's love interest is kinda disingenuous to me.
    Ultimately, I think it's Spock everyones cares about the most, I doubt the writers would get so much criticism had Uhura been paired with any of the other guys.
    So I understand it more when people say that they don't like the pair because they see Uhura as a threat to Spock's vulcan stoicism.
    I understand it although I disagree with that as I don't see his character in the same way some people do and to me, by showing this side of his character that was never developed before (because of the biases of the time) actually has the potential to make him even more interesting to me and add more conflict in his character.
    But I digress..
  4. thumbtack

    thumbtack Commodore Commodore

    Dec 27, 2002
    Now, trekkies are notorious for hitting on their trapped coworkers, at least until their trapped coworkers go to HR and, as far as we know, Spock is not a trekkie and Uhura has yet to go to HR.

    What's the problem?
  5. Cake

    Cake Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Dec 10, 2010
    Pairing her up with Kirk would have been as cliche. She would still be the only big female character paired up with one of the main male characters. A large part of her screentime was about her being the love interest. That is disappointing when there are no other female characters, who do something cool on a space ship or somewhere else in a future scifi setting.

    And what do you mean with "only now"? In TOS were more female characters with Rand and Chapel, despite it being a 60s series and a lot of people at that time rather wished women solely at home as housewives and mothers. The older movies added very prominent female characters like Ilia, Saavik, Carol, Gillian, Valeris. At best Star Trek V didn't bother to do the same. Vixis wasn't a particular important character.

    The last Star Trek movie was a step back in this regard, especially compared with the newer Star Trek series and the TNG movies.

    It doesn't matter what was going on decades ago. Today Uhura fit perfectly the definition of the Smurfette trope, which was by the way named after a blue skinned character.