Rogue Reviews thread [Read-only] [SPOILERS, no doubt]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by AntonyF, May 10, 2013.

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  1. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored Co-Founder of ISIS Moderator

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    Re: Where's the equality?

    Given the cleavage-focused closeup on Charlize Theron in a wet bandage bikini (an odd recurring future fashion trend) doing push-ups, I'm sure it was a matter of providing eye candy for the most part, but in regards to different body armor or chest plate designs, that's something law enforcement and the military have been making adjustments to in real life with the ever increasing numbers of female soldiers and police. Women have until recently usually been stuck with body armor designed primarily for men that fits them uncomfortably and can reduce performance or even cause safety issues in the field.

    http://femalebodyarmor.blogspot.com/2011/12/difference-between-male-and-female-body.html

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/09/25/army-designs-body-armor-for-women-and-batteries.html
     
  2. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    Re: Nibiru

    We didn't see what happens to the culture though, it was prevented. But regardless, that was a slightly different situation considering they were not on the verge of an extinction event. Not to mention it was all hypothetical and the Mintakans were fairly advanced.

    Is it really worth killing an entire species and civilization to uphold the PD? No, especially if you can interfere without being spotted.
     
  3. ConRefit79

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    Re: Nibiru

    What if the species later goes on to do evil like Borg or the Vadwar. You never know how they will develop. That's why they try not to interfere. That's why I think they never really violated the PD in TOS. They always tried to correct previous contamination. Kind of like Quantum Leap. "Striving to put right what once went wrong...."
     
  4. AntonyF

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    Re: Feeling dejected *spoilers*

    The whole father killing people for his child thing I thought was an excellent start... that moral dilemma, bad people do bad things for good reasons etc... I was expecting more of that. Instead you just get a sociopath Khan, and even Admiral Robocop was in no way sympathetic. In the end the father went into darkness, yet I can't think of many examples beyond that.

    I know! Such a missed trick.
     
  5. JarodRussell

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    Re: Nibiru

    We should just look to places like Africa and see what all our colonization and evangelization efforts resulted in. And we still interfere everywhere because we haven't learned one bit.
     
  6. Mal

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    Re: Feeling dejected *spoilers*


    I hadn't read any spoilers, so I literally laughed out loud when Spock did the Khaaaan :guffaw: Sadly, I don't think anyone else in the (mostly empty) theater was a fan, cause no one else seemed the least bit bothered.

    I wonder which will suffer greater infamy in the long run: Darth Vader's Noooooooooo! or Quinto's Khaaaaaaan!
     
  7. Locutus of Bored

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    Re: Nibiru

    This assumes that "culture" is some rigidly defined, inflexible thing that is not constantly adapting to changes in the surrounding environment or massive sociological events.

    Except for all the references to Enterprise in this film and the previous one ("Admiral Archer's prized beagle"). So, no.
     
  8. Phily B

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    Re: Nibiru

    This is just Hitler's murder paradox, I've never bought it. You wouldn't let a baby die because they might become another Hitler would you?

    That's a fine part of the prime directive, I agree with some parts of it but using it as an almost religious doctrine of the Federation? No. Just because we refuse to interfere in a civil war, famine etc doesn't mean that a Starfleet vessel shouldn't be able to blow apart an asteroid on a collision course with an M-Class planet.
     
  9. Kane_Steel

    Kane_Steel Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Re: Where's the equality?

    The Carol almost naked scene was probably just tributing Classic Trek where every episode had scantly clad women.

    Probably the one thing in STID they did right.
     
  10. Franklin

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    Re: Nibiru

    Testify, dude! :techman:

    Meh. All UFOs become gods to ancient peoples? What if Nibiru was like late 20th century Earth? In "Tomorrow is Yesterday", the Enterprise became just another brief unexplained UFO report in the Air Force files.

    You can't go around doing things worried about unintended or unpredictable consequences. You'd go crazy and soon find yourself incapable of doing anything for fear of the unknown. An overly broad policy of not acting because you can't be sure of the effect of saving the culture isn't logical, either. It's arrogance.
     
  11. ConRefit79

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    Re: Nibiru

    No, we never seem to learn. Even within our own countries, people try to interfere in other peoples lives because they think they know best.
     
  12. WarpFactorZ

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    Re: Nibiru

    They like doing a lot of things that "look cool," but really make no practical sense.
     
  13. Kane_Steel

    Kane_Steel Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Who SHOULD Cumberbatch have played? [SPOILERS]

    I'm definitely in agreement that Cumberbatch was miscast as Khan. His portrayal wasn't even reminiscent of Khan in the slightest.

    Who should he have played instead?

    Who should have been the villain of STiD?



    Personally, I like the fact that Cumberbatch can play a calm, logical and intimidating villain. It doesn't suit the over-the-top and flamboyant nature of Khan, but it suits other potential villains.


    I would have liked Cumberbatch as the physical android form of M5 from "The Ultimate Computer." I enjoyed how the M5 had that creepy HAL quality to it, and the great man versus machine questions:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMsyULnsM4

    He could have been like Superman's BRAINIAC character, and Kirk trying to outsmart a supercomputer that controls his ship.
     
  14. Kruezerman

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    Re: Who SHOULD Cumberbatch have played?

    Me.

    Or an evil Santa Claus. Great Christmas blockbuster!
     
  15. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Re: Who SHOULD Cumberbatch have played?

    No.

    He should have played exactly who he played.

    BTW, you need a SPOILER warning in your topic title.
     
  16. Franklin

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    Re: Nibiru

    But there is a definite difference between going into a country and forcing your religion on them or exploiting them for your gain and delivering truly humanitarian aid with no strings attached. The PD doesn't seem to recognize those nuances.
    On Earth, if people in a certain area of the world are starving, or suffer from annual floods they can't control, is it interference with the natural development of their culture to send them food, or to have international engineers come in to build a dam to stem the floods? And in doing so, is it interference if the natives see great pieces of mechanical equipment doing things that they never could've imagined, before? What if they hear Kerry Underwood music coming from an engineer's iPhone? What if the natives start wanting iPhones of their own? What if they become adicted to Angry Birds? What unintended effects will all this have on their culture? Better to let them starve or drown?
     
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  17. Kane_Steel

    Kane_Steel Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Re: Who SHOULD Cumberbatch have played?

    Why?

    There seems to be a lot of mixed reactions about his suitability for Khan, and rehashing TWOK elements in an inferior manner.
     
  18. Borgminister

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    Re: Who SHOULD Cumberbatch have played?

    Mudd.
     
  19. trekkiebaggio

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    Re: Who SHOULD Cumberbatch have played?

    Borg King Khan
     
  20. Timelord Victorious

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    Re: Who SHOULD Cumberbatch have played?

    The title itself is almost a spoiler.
    This board really is a minefield at the moment.
     
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