Roger Ebert is dead...

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  1. Shaka Zulu

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    Also, that was something that needed to be said, especially for Americans like yourself (Flying Spaghetti Monster) who think that their health care system is the best on the planet; guess what, it isn't especially when medication like the one invented in the movie cost $300.00 USD just for a child to have while children in other countries, like Canada, are able to get it with no cost to them due to the national health care system that exists in those countries. No wonder he was pissy at the end of the review; I'd be like that, too, especially if you're suffering from cancer and have to pay a lot for treatment.

    Something else about that movie bugs me (and also probably bugged Ebert too); the fact that the real life doctor that cured the disease was never portrayed in the movie, yet again because Hollywood can't seem to be able to cast an Asian actor in a role when said real life person is Asian, so TPTB decide to whitewash the person in question.

    Medved also came out swinging at Captain America simply because of two graphic novels that were less than flattering to U.S. foreign policy with regards to Iraq and Afghanistan; check out his comments in this article (Captain America, Traitor?) and then get back to me about how opinionated Ebert was.
     
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  2. Gaith

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    To be fair - and I liked the movie better than Ebert did - no, not really. It's about developing and finding one fairly wealthy family a cure. The health care system doesn't really come into play because the protagonists' kids get into a free trial study, and the movie pretty much ends when the trial starts to work. Yes, there's a few other, poorer families featured, but the cost of the drug isn't really important if said drug doesn't even exist.

    I'm all for discussions of politics in entertainment, and raising an eyebrow in the absence of same - IIRC, for example, Scrubs made a few mentions of health care iniquities early in its first season, and then pretty much ignored the issue for the next few years at least when you'd think the characters would have to grapple with it fairly regularly - but in the case of Extraordinary Measures, I think Ebert was a tad off-base. Still, I don't at all mind that he included that factoid in his review, and I find those who would censure a columnist for discussing the political implications of a movie to be full of it.



    Well, no shit, who would? And sometimes the guy was just plain wrong. I would absolutely love to say that The Golden Compass deserves a 4/4 star rating, but it simply doesn't. Tough beans; no one can win 'em all. (Except the guy in the mirror, of course. :p)


    One thing I do know, however, is it'll be some time before I stop thinking "I wonder what Ebert'll say about this one" whenever a new movie comes out... :(
     
  3. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    I never said that the health care system in America is the best on the planet. Never never never. i personally think that the government shouldn't be taking care of us from cradle to grave, that's too much control, and costs will go up and freedoms will be curtailed, yadda yadda, tadda, but even if I supported UHC, I would still say that it was a debatable issue, and I was merely pointing out that his little ending to that review was shoehorned in!
     
  4. the G-man

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    It's cute how many of the same people defending Ebert's politicizing his reviews are the same people who had a fit over the idea of Orson Scott Card writing Superman, despite the fact there's no evidence whatsoever that Card would insert his views into the comic book.
     
  5. Coloratura

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  6. Hound of UIster

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    You mean other than him inserting his anti-abortion views into his previous comic work?
     
  7. Gaith

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    Not sure if serious, but since I assume you fit me into that category, I don't care what Card might write in Superman fanfics he were to self-publish online, I just sympathize with anyone who wants to let Marvel know they don't want their pocket change ending up in his wallet. Card is a bigot; if anyone were dumb enough to think that Ebert's in-print advocacy of UHC made a bigot out of him, then I would totally understand their not wanting to fund his work with Sun-Times subscriptions. To be sure, even nitwits should stick to their principles.
     
  8. sojourner

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    Superman is DC, not Marvel.
     
  9. cooleddie74

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    So now Roger Ebert was a liberal Orson Scott Card.

    Wonderful.
     
  10. Coloratura

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    "Hello, friends. Today I mourn with you over the loss of Bob. Bob was a great guy, I loved him, salt of the earth, wonderful human being, and now I'm going to explain why he's also a bit of an asshole, because I feel this is the perfect time, here in this memorial, to air my political grievances with Bob. If he wants me to stop, I'm sure he'll say so."
     
  11. Gaith

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    I... did I flub that? Oops... :razz: :p
     
  12. Kelthaz

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    This.

    There's a few things that I didn't like about Ebert, but right now is not the time or the place to bring them up.
     
  13. Opus

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    Why the butt-hurt about the politics of... A MOVIE REVIEWER? When did the American psyche go completely off the rails? He was a movie reviewer:

    "Hey, did you hear what that movie reviewer thought of Congress' vote on Obamacare?"

    "No, and I don't care because I'm not a moron."

    Now, about Roger Ebert: He was funny. He seemed very kind. He was excellent at what he did and respected. And I liked him. Let the man rest in peace and get over yourselves already.

    Again - You're arguing about the politics of a movie reviewer, fer Chrissakes!
     
  14. Avon

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    Sad News :( not quite my favorite reviewer, but usually on the money with his well thought out reviews. also injecting politics into this thread is inexcusably petty. RIP
     
  15. Ar-Pharazon

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    Actually, the politics of a movie reviewer would be more intelligent than those of a politician.
     
  16. cooleddie74

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    I'd rather listen to Rex Reed fart than Congressman Louie Gohmert say anything.
     
  17. Gaith

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    FTFY. :techman:
     
  18. Admiral Buzzkill

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    This is a memorial thread, but I guess it's gone all to hell. What I can't understand is how Card got dragged into it.

    Ebert, after all, was a gifted writer and a thoughtful human being who is much missed and will be long remembered by folks who admire real talent. Card is not, nor will he be, any of those things.
     
  19. marksound

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    Roger Ebert was a man who did his job well, and was faced with challenges that we would not wish upon our worst enemies. By all accounts he dealt with his situation with as much grace as could be expected.

    He left us too soon, and we must hope that in the end he found peace.

    Goodbye, Roger.
     
  20. IndyJones

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    I enjoyed Ebert's voice on many issues. He was a great advocate for film, and for Chicago, and he'll be missed.

    And I find it funny that people think it's somehow unseemly that a liberal opinion writer would give his opinion while working for this city's liberal newspaper. It's great that so many got to read his reviews, but let's do remember that he was working for The Sun Times, and that opinion was not unwanted.
     

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