Roddenberry's Worst Ideas

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  1. teacake

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    The whole character seemed kind of ridiculous to me. But I agree with plynch, the look was of the era and went well with TMP's visuals for the future.
     
  2. Lance

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    :bolian: It says a lot that most of TMP's promotional material over the years has focused firmly on Kirk, Spock and Ilia. Up to and including the soon-to-be-released standalone Blu Ray cover of the movie. Her look made a definite impact that was totally unique (and arguably remains so to this day).
     
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    No contest. :) And that's just my honour-bound-as-an-Irishman response. Natalie Portman did good work in the same vein. I'd reach for either of them before Ilia in such an argument, if only because most people wouldn't know who Ilia was.

    Not that she doesn't look good, mind you. :drool:
     
  4. teacake

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    Sinead in her prime was just delicious!
     
  5. Lance

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    To be honest, while the symbolism of having a female second-in-command in "The Cage" was excellent, I'm not sure that sexual equality was entirely Roddenberry's modus operandi in writing that character. It was more a case of promising his girlfriend she'd have a major (or indeed, a 'Majel' ;)) role in his series. And when that didn't pan out, he parachuted her in as Nurse Chapel. Nepotism will get you everywhere in Hollywood. :D

    I'll give you that Tasha Yar was progressive, in thought. But not so much in execution. :wtf:
     
  6. BillJ

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    That's why he only gets 'somewhat of a pass'. :techman:
     
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    Noémie Lenoir from Rush Hour 3

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    & of course G.I. Jane

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    Frankly, if a woman is sexy, she don't need no hair to be sexy
     
  8. plynch

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    Call me old fashioned, but I like women to have hair.

    But I'm fine with Ilya, an alien character not having any. I liked her non-acting style too. She seemed more alien, even when she was not Vger-ized, than most Star Trek aliens. Maybe they should have had more non-North Americans play aliens.
     
  9. ZapBrannigan

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    Even I have to grant that the Bob Peak poster is iconic. Of course, Bob Peak was a brilliant comercial artist.
     
  10. Gary7

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    If there was one idea that really hit me wrong in TMP, it was the whole "V'ger" naming thing. I mean, c'mon... the lettering on the side of the probe had carbon deposits masking out "oya", and so the probe ends up calling itself "V'ger"? I mean, how ridiculous is that? I don't care how you want to fan wank it, the idea was wrong. The memory circuits don't coincidentally get corrupt to match the lettering on the craft.

    What they should have done was when opening the access panel, they see the name "VOYAGER" and registry number imprinted on the interior. Then they conclude that a data error resulted in corrupt memory of some core information, hence V'ger not knowing its original name correctly. That would've made more sense to me.
     
  11. The Wormhole

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    Reminds me of the old comment everyone makes, V'Ger has knowledge that spans the universe but it doesn't know how to wipe dirt off its own nameplate.
     
  12. King Daniel Beyond

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    V'ger = advanced enough to create an android replica of Illia, to digitize entire solar systems and to brush off Klingon attacks like they're nothing.

    V'ger = too stupid to wipe the muck off it's name plate.

    EDIT: Ninja'd by Wormhole

    Early drafts of the story (back when it was the Phase II pilot episode) called it N'sa.
     
  13. The Wormhole

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    :lol: There's no way to pronounce that without giving the twist away.
     
  14. Nerys Myk

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    Should have gone with "N'md"
     
  15. The Wormhole

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    More like N'm'd. Though damned if I know how that's pronounced.
     
  16. KarmicCurse

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    Did anyone mention children on a starship? I was 11 years old when TNG premiered and even I could see it as a blatant attempt to get kids my age to tune in. Things like that snap the already fragile reality of sci-fi shows.
     
  17. ROBE

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    The bridge of TNG Enterprise looking like a hotel lobby.
    Lets just put all these vital stations at the back were nobody can see them.
    BORING!
     
  18. RPJOB

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    Roddenberry's worst ideas? Pretty much all of his shows including, to a lesser degree Star Trek. His best idea was to bering in people Coon, Fontana and Jeffries. They are responsible for the best of Trek. Roddenberry could be good in the big ideas but his implementation of the details was usually pretty weak and often laughable. Given a choice of only watching the Non-Roddennberry episodes or the Roddenberry ones I'll take Coon/Fontana/almost anyone else over Gene's.
     
  19. T'Girl

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    Brings to mind one of my prime complaints about Wesley.

    Teens like to see people on shows who are popular, certainly within their own peer group. Wesley was largely shown to be isolated from his age group (we saw him among his peers once in ten forward). Wesley wanted to hang out with the ship's older officers.

    As a draw for watchers in their mid teens through early twenties, Wesley was useless. Showing him as being "The In Guy,", even on just a few episodes, would have made him a lot more interesting to younger viewers.

    Give him Trip's personality.

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  20. plynch

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    I am the opposite: The 1st half of S1 is moodier; more like sci-fi shows set in Star Trek, rather than just-another-Trek episode as many became later; more wordsy (I like); featuring more crew going about crew life.

    It got too cheerful, almost sappy, as Uhura/Sulu/Checkov got standardized as the-only-other-crewmen-of-note. And the universe got more civilized and starfleetized. YMMV
     

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