Roddenberry's Worst Ideas

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  1. CaptainMurdock

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    The thing I always enjoyed about the acting in TOS is that everyone acted larger than life instead of normal people living on a starship. Though IMO DS9 had a larger than life cast too so I give them credit for being like TOS but not copying it. That's not to say I didn't like TNG but it's acting at times was just boring. With Voyager and Enterprise. everyone just seemed one note. The Larger than life/charismatic characters are who I enjoyed watching. The more grounded to reality characters were just meh.
     
  2. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Commodore Commodore

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    If you want to turn the contrast up to 11, compare the acting in ST:TOS to the remake series of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. One is gloriously big, bold, and theatrical; the other is downplayed and utterly matter of fact.

    Both are great at what they set out to do.
     
  3. Mojochi

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    Amen to that.

    With hair... an attractive woman, without... a stunning creature that stops you in your tracks
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  4. teacake

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    Not doing it for me in either pic.
     
  5. BillJ

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    Count me in as someone who thought TOS had the best acting of the franchise.
     
  6. King Daniel Beyond

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    In my last attempt at a re-watch, I couldn't get past how unnaturally everyone acted in TNG. Often walking over, standing in small groups with arms stright at their sides, taking turns to recite their lines.
     
  7. stj

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    With the proviso that who did what is not necessarily correctly known...

    As useful as the transporter was in speeding up the scene transitions, in the long run, it caused two problems. The double talk justifying the non-use of the transporter to resolve physical jeopardy was more or less encoded into all the Trek shows' DNA. Also, that level of tech didn't really fit, if you paid attention, leaving a permanent jarring element in the setting, constantly trying suspension of disbelief.

    The miniskirts were the wrong kind of sex appeal. In the long run, the interest of the characters is what creates any real eroticism. Miniskirts (and their successors, the catsuits,) are merely superficial, sexy enough to offend the prudes without engaging any real emotions or awareness.
     
  8. scotpens

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    I was thirteen years old when Star Trek premiered in 1966. To me, the miniskirts were exactly the right kind of sex appeal.
    :drool:
     
  9. Foxhot

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    While indeed giving many of us a certain kind of (ahem) awareness which was very real. Until things changed drastically. Thanks a heap, Katharine Hepburn.
     
  10. Gojira

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    Just watched TMP the other day and thought the same thing. If she had had hair it would have made the character average. By being bald she was unique and different and stood out.
     
  11. Gojira

    Gojira Commodore Commodore

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    While I still enjoy TNG some of the episodes have not aged well, they are too talky and a bit boring.
     
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  12. stj

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    Yes, exactly.
     
  13. BillJ

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    Loved how the women looked in TOS. A credit to the late Bill Theiss. The man was responsible for many a teenage boners. :techman:
     
  14. teacake

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    That's what happens when you evolve, you stop waving your arms around like animals.
     
  15. T'Girl

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    Or even like people.

    The Roy Orbison school of acting.

    :)
     
  16. scotpens

    scotpens Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Try telling that to an Italian. ;)
     
  17. Maurice

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    How nice for you.
     
  18. plynch

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    The hairless, naked Persis really jives with what I think of the androgynous 70s and GeneR's vision of future, enlightened, post-animalistic humans. Don't they look like that in THX 1138?

    I will concur neither pic does it for me, if we're weighing in. Somebody do a poll: normal Persis or "futuristic" Persis? I guess that's sexist to focus on her looks, but there've been polls on Shat's toupee, right?
     
  19. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I prefer Persis with hair.
     
  20. mos6507

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    We've got to remember that Ilia was supposed to be an alien, and while yes, you can have aliens that are just regular humanoid in appearance, the lack of hair was determined to be the physical characteristic of Deltans. So how attractive she is with or without hair should not be used as a critique against Gene's ideas anymore than debating whether or not Spock should have had pointy ears or eyebrows. And yes, there was resistance to Spock's appearance back in the day too--because studio heads thought he looked too much like the devil.

    That being said, there's really no other female celebrity who looked that good bald. She's the one everyone goes to in order to prove that bald women can be sexy, which is a success as far as I'm concerned.

    Also, whatever TMP lacked in other areas, it got people's attention, if nothing else, by virtue of Ilia's appearance. So it served a very important purpose of starting up some water-cooler talk about bald women. Here we are all these years later still debating it.