Roddenberry's Worst Ideas

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  1. sonak

    sonak Vice Admiral Admiral

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    why do rich athletes, rich movie stars, CEOs, etc. work?

    by your logic, when someone makes just enough to be able to coast through life on their savings, they wouldn't work anymore.


    Since that's clearly NOT what happens, there must be other reasons for folks to work.
     
  2. Charles Phipps

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    Self-actualization, public pressure, education. At the end of the day, a lot of people who are able to make do unemployed feel valueless and unsatisfied with their life. Their job provides them a sense of identity and self-worth.

    As stated, the leap is people WANT to work versus 100% pleasure. We've had examples of both in society.
     
  3. Crazyewok

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  4. robau

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    Not having fulfilling work each day really kind of sucks.
     
  5. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Captain Captain

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    Does it have to be backbreaking labor? That's the real question for the 24th century.
     
  6. Crazyewok

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    Well as being asigned to waste extraction is always being thrown about it seem like yes there is some.


    Plus you still have to have people working in offices and over really mundane crap jobs.
     
  7. Charles Phipps

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    Even garbage men are often fulfilled by doing a central service.
     
  8. Crazyewok

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    O come on how many do you really think would carry on if they did not get paid!
     
  9. Charles Phipps

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    It's a question of how many would be unemployed and on the equivalent of Federation Welfare otherwise, which many could be.
     
  10. R. Star

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    Federation Welfare: Having to wait in line at a communal replicator. ;)
     
  11. Charles Phipps

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    "Here's your house, here's your replicator, don't bug us."

    :)
     
  12. Navigator_NCC2120

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    From the "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" novelization:

    01. Kirk (and other Starfleet personnel) having something implanted in his brain to allow him to view the Klingon transmission of their encounter with an intruder (V'ger).

    02. That Starfleet personnel are primitive or less sophisticated compared to the rest of the human race. That these lesser humans are well suited for space exploration.

    I'm glad these 2 ideas did not make it into the film.


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  13. Nightdiamond

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    Like Data's maid in AGT. Is she cleaning up after him, servicing him, doing chores for him because she finds it fulfilling?

    Or the Starfleet groundskeeper Picard spoke about--why is he putting so much effort to make Starfleet Academy so beautiful?

    It's not his property and he's not getting paid to do it.

    In Tapestry, Picard once called a job he had in an alternate life a dreary job, suggesting that it was beneath him-- this seems to say that there is a form of snobbery that still exists when it comes to jobs.

    But by calling it a dreary job may be an insult to someone who studied years just to do that.
     
  14. TheGoodNews

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    Dude, you're not thinking it through. First defined paid? Aren't they already being paid forward by living in a society that doesn't require money and allows them so much in return for whatever it is they decide to do?

    And think of necessity. The mundane or menial jobs can be rotated like in kibbutz. Say two weeks out of the year you wash windows or scrub toilets (assuming that's still even necessary in the future). You do it out of necessity, the greatest incentive ever! Otherwise it's back to being a wage-slave and living in debt. Think it through.
     
  15. EliyahuQeoni

    EliyahuQeoni Commodore Commodore

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    I would have to disagree. The first is a great scifi concept. The second helps explain why the Starfleet crews we see seem like so much like 20th century humans when the human race should have changed quite a bit in 300 years.
     
  16. Belz...

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    Because they want MORE money to buy more shit.

    Yeah but in a society in which they can own what they want, things'd be a bit different.
     
  17. Belz...

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    Real examples, please. Not fictional ones. :rolleyes:
     
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  20. sonak

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    sorry, no. Many athletes or movie stars have more than $100 million, which is enough to buy basically what you want for life. They're not playing/making movies to "earn" the money to buy yet another yacht.