Roddenberry's Worst Ideas

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  1. Faria

    Faria Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    i would not waste space in a ship with a saucer section of 128 meters which had to host more than 420 persons
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    Yet none are as bizarrely shaped as the Enterprise. Getting from the shuttlebay to the bridge with only vertical lifts would require three or four elevator journies (two in the neck alone, owing to its angle) and a walk of about 200 meters. Not very good in an emergency situation!

    Weird shaped ships need weird ways to get through them.
     
  3. Faria

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    Yet none are as bizarrely shaped as the Enterprise. Getting from the shuttlebay to the bridge with only vertical lifts would require three or four elevator journies (two in the neck alone, owing to its angle) and a walk of about 200 meters. Not very good in an emergency situation!

    Weird shaped ships need weird ways to get through them.[/QUOTE]

    solution: reduce neck angle
     
  4. scotpens

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    No disrespect intended, but if you came from a family of abusive alcoholics and it was 1920, you probably would have thought the Eighteenth Amendment was a wonderful idea. It wasn't.

    Space is at a premium on any enclosed vessel that has to support X number of human (or humanoid) beings within a finite volume, whether it's an aircraft carrier, a submarine, or a starship.
     
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  5. MacLeod

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    Well there is an entire thread in trek tech about turbolifts.

    http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=214087

    Some argue the space would be better utilised by instead of wasting space by having turbolifts, wasting space by having coridoors in their place. Yet like artifical gravity the turbolift network is very robust. And instead of the seconds it might take someone to get somehwere to say repair a compenant before it blows via turbolift, they would have to run their maybe taking minutes by which time it's too late.
     
  6. yousirname

    yousirname Commander Red Shirt

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    I don't see how Prohibition's failure is relevant to the issue.
     
  7. RandyS

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    I did, and you're right about the eighteenth amendment. but put yourself in place place. If you were a disabled man (I am) and were beaten by a drunken brother (I was), you wouldn't want booze around you either. It's one of the reasons I don't drink and never will.

    Of course, my brother (and other drunken relatives) also abused me verbally, but despite the fact that that was a hell of alot easier to defend against, it hurt just as much.

    No, I understand that there are people who can handle alcohol and that's fine, but with my personal experience, I don't want it around me, and think that Synthehol would be a good thing (if it actually existed, that is).
     
  8. Belz...

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    Why are regular lifts not silly and turbolifts silly ? I still have no clue why you keep saying that.

    A solution to a non-problem. Seriously, you'd change the design of the entire ship just to avoid using turbolifts ?

    This reminds me of the Magic the Gathering player who told me the worst thing ever to happen to the game was the change in typeface for the cards. :confused:
     
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  10. marksound

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    If there were no turbolifts there would have to be stairwells. Imagine how long it would have taken Spock to carry Kirk and McCoy up the stairs to deck 78. :lol:
     
  11. Captain Clark Terrell

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    Imagine how funny it would have been seeing him use the rocket boosters to zoom through the stairwells.

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  14. robau

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    That makes no sense to me. The only reason to put up with the taste of beer is for the intoxication.
     
  15. Crazyewok

    Crazyewok Commander Red Shirt

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    Actually it make 100% sense to have no real alcohol on a star ship.
    I mean you dont want the crew to go off duty to a party get pissed then a borg ships appears?


    Anyway I though synthahol did have intoxicating effects but they went rather quickly. So rather than knocking back beers and then waiting hours before you can drive. You can still knock those beers back then wait 30mins then drive!
     
  16. T'Girl

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    I'm very sorry for your experience, but have you considered that the alcohol wasn't the source of the problem and the fault stemmed directly from your brother?

    If space were that limited, then get rid of the corridors too and just have interconnecting rooms. You would also eliminate private living quarters for all but the most senior officers, I mean Lieutenant Uhura had a pair of private connecting rooms. Apparently space aboard the ship isn't that constrained.

    The turbo lifts are the ship's transportation system, in addition to personal, they likely move equipment and freight about the ship too. They're not just taxi cabs, they're delivery trucks.

    Judging by Scotty's immediate reaction to what he drank, I don't believe it tasted "similar."

    The entire crew doesn't go off duty at the same time, and it's unlikely that all the ones off duty at any one time are drinking to the point they're intoxicated.

    Not all beers taste the same, the flavors and textures vary pretty widely. Plus certain foods are accentuated by alcohol, spicy with beer, fish with wine, steak with scotch.

    :)
     
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  18. T'Girl

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    I believe I understand you point, and while I can respect where it's coming from, I don't agree with your position.

    Don't get me wrong. I can easily see there being a regulation prohibiting drinking to the point where you're impaired and couldn't perform your duties if suddenly recalled to duty.

    But that not the same as completely eliminating all alcohol on board.

    On those rare occasions that you're allowed to drink on US Navy ships (beer day), you must be at least four hours away from your next assigned duty shift.

    Any Human? Again we disagree, by the 24th century having a genetic predisposition toward alcoholism will have been either solved or at least be identifiable, those so identified would need to engage in personal responsibility and self control.

    Others who became alcoholics through deliberate actions would likely either be given treatment, or asked to resign. I would imagine this would be the case with any form of substance abuse or disruptive personal behavior.

    The "best way" would be to have people who you can trust around alcohol.

    Wouldn't selecting people capable of self control be better still? This attribute would extend not just to drink, but other areas.

    You missing something. These people aren't just going out on a six month deployment to sea, they are living years and decades of their lives aboard the starships and at the starbases to which they're assigned.

    There was no sign that consuming the Romulan Ale in any way slowed or altered the officers responses. While Kirk and Chekov both were experiencing headaches (and maybe body aches), their abilities to preform their duties was intact. And Scotty showed no effects at all, neither did McCoy.

    :)
     
  19. Captain Clark Terrell

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    Scotty was made of sterner stuff.

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  20. King Daniel Beyond

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    In that case, your issue is with the goofy and incredibly impractical shape of Trek's spaceships. If Trek suddenly started having sensibly shaped vessels, it just wouldn't be the same.
     

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