Read & Reread "Greater Than The Sum"- My Opinion (Spoilers)

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  1. Dayton3

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    I believe that a military unit performs best with fewer differences between their individual members.

    Plus, no amount of training disguises the fact that men are stronger than women for the most part. And physical strength is important.

    It is important now. It was important 300 years ago. It will be important 300 years from now.
     
  2. Dayton3

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    Canvas's can change.
     
  3. Dayton Ward

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    If strength were the sole criteria on which to judge one's fitness for military service, you might have a point. In reality, of course, it's not.
     
  4. Thrawn

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    This one won't. Just like we won't suddenly have a book that says "whoops, turns out transporters don't exist!"
     
  5. Dayton3

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    Are you so sure about that?

    What if we had a book set in the decades after Voyager perhaps and the "matter transmitter" transporters have been completely replaced by "micro warp field" transporters?
     
  6. Thrawn

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    So make everyone have to pass a strength requirement. I'm not saying there should be equal numbers of men and women, and we should have different requirements or incentives to make that happen, I'm saying that gender shouldn't matter one way or the other.
     
  7. Thrawn

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    You're missing the point, though in fairness I may have argued it poorly. Allow me to restate.

    From 1966-2008, a fundamental point of Star Trek was that diversity is a benefit. Every series, in every form, has had this as a central tenet. It is possible that at some point in the future a show called Star Trek will be created that espouses an alternate morality, but given that this has been a bedrock principle of the universe for 42 years, it seems like a silly thing to want.

    To better use my earlier analogy, if you want to spend your time complaining every time you read a Star Trek book that the transporters are unrealistic, be my guest! You'd certainly be right about that. Similarly, you can spend all the time you want arguing that Starfleet is a military organization that doesn't make sense, and (though I think you're completely wrong) you may have your reasons for believing that, too.

    But either way you're going against a fundamental part of the Star Trek universe that has existed in every single bit of it so far. So why bother?
     
  8. Dayton3

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  9. JD

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    Wow, can you say "Superiority Complex"?
     
  10. Thrawn

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    I would never have guessed. [/sarcasm]

    Because I enjoy analyzing, appreciating, and defending this enormous body of work that has provided me so many hours of entertainment and thought. Why else is anyone here?
     
  11. Christopher

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    Those are mutually incompatible statements. And it's sad and pathetic that you can't understand that.

    Besides, how can you be hetero and think that anything is better without women??

    And nobody ever reruns them on TV, except at 3 AM.


    I don't think anyone here sincerely thinks he's gay -- just that it's fun to insinuate that he is because it's bound to irk him.
     
  12. cardinal biggles

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    At what point does your "doing it better" become "turning it into something it wasn't in the first place," though?

    If I were to rewrite X-Men as a paramilitary organization of genetically engineered humans trying to overthrow the government, how would it be X-Men apart from my saying, "Hey, this is X-Men." Similarly, how is this all-male, combat-centered Trek you favor anything like what actually is Star Trek?
     
  13. Trent Roman

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    I suggest you start with a mirror.

    Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
     
  14. LightningStorm

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    Wrong. Tactics and strategy win wars not strength. It was true 3000 years go, 300 years ago, TODAY, and will be true 300 years from now.
     
  15. Dayton3

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  16. Trent Roman

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    I just checked Misc., and there doesn't appear to be a 'misogyny as family tradition' thread yet. Run off and start one. (...with all due apologies to the folk is Misc.)

    Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
     
  17. Dayton3

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    I'm not a misogynist.

    I like women just fine.

    I just do not like working with them.

    Big difference and you know it.
     
  18. William Leisner

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    No. It really should not.

    Where it should be is in your psychiatric file.
     
  19. Dayton3

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    No need to be insulting.

    Where is that IDIC stuff from Star Trek we keep hearing about?
     
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    Ooooookkkk.:wtf:
     
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