Re-writing the climax of STiD

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by WarpFactorZ, Sep 7, 2013.

  1. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    The thing is, in STD Earth has now been attacked TWICE and still no defense system was anywhere to be seen.


    In Best of Both Worlds, we got a glimpse of primitive solar system defense, and well the whole Earth defense fleet gathered at Wolf 359. The fleet got complete destroyed, that's why there were no ships left near Earth.

    The second time Earth got attacked, there was the First Contact big ass space battle with countless of ships.

    And in Voyager Endgame, there was again a whole fleet waiting.
     
  2. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    This worried him?
    Tell your brother to "man up". Thats what I'd tell my brother. :lol:

    What does he think of the Borg queen robocop style - that gives me the creeps but I still endure. :lol:
     
  3. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    This worried him?
    Tell your brother to "man up". Thats what I'd tell my brother. :lol:

    What does he think of the Borg queen robocop style - that gives me the creeps but I still endure. :lol:
     
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    Why would they need to respond to this situation? There's no threat from an alien probe or enemy vessel. Admiral Marcus presumably told Starfleet that Kirk's crew were in league with the terrorist John Harrison and went rogue in Klingon territory (like he said to Kirk), and that they should stay back until Kirk's crew was apprehended or destroyed. Marcus is the trusted head of Starfleet and has a ship that can take care of itself, Harrison is a known terrorist, and Kirk has a reputation as a loose cannon. There's plenty of reason for other ships to just follow orders and hang back to see how this all plays out. Anything Kirk said after that message from Marcus (like Harrison took over the Vengeance so Starfleet should fire on it) would just seem like disinformation to prompt Starfleet to attack the wrong target, so it would be ignored (As Marcus probably told them to do). By the time the ships started heading toward Earth it was too late to do anything anyway.
     
  5. JarodRussell

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    Presumably, nobody cared when two ships battled it out close to the moon (where, presumably, a few million people live), and then nobody cared, when those two ships fall towards Earth for a couple of minutes. Ships loaded, presumably, with antimatter that could, presumably, obliterate huge chunks of the planet's surface.
     
  6. SeerSGB

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    Starfleet has never really been shown to give a fuck about protecting the Earth.
     
  7. Kemaiku

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    Because, as has been pointed out several goddamn times, Marcus was the head of all of Starfleet. You don't take a shit without his permission, nevermind open fire on his ship in Earth orbit.
     
  8. SeerSGB

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    Not to mention we don't know if Marcus did (and I'm betting the bastard did, probably during the whole speech about them going rogue) already "warn" them that Kirk had gone rogue and was working with the terrorist and had launched an unauthorized attack on the Klingons. Vengeance was the biggest and baddest in the fleet, even if they did see the fight they were probably taking bets on how long before Marcus kicked Kirk's head in.
     
  9. Coloratura

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    The way Marcus talks to Kirk towards the end makes it seem like he's also speaking something into the official record. He's very peculiar about how he responds to Kirk. Everything he says just seems to frame Kirk as this dangerous element who must be stopped.
     
  10. Kemaiku

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    Exactly. He had a model of the ship on his desk for possibly years or at least months. His colleages were likely very high up in Starfleet and responsible, in his absense, of sending those orders. They likely saw the ship, put it all together, realised it was him, and let him kick the crap out of Kirk.
     
  11. SeerSGB

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    Cause that's his justification for the attack. Makes it all nice and legal.
     
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    That's a hell of an apology, but under any constellation, I was never going to spare your crew'
     
  13. SeerSGB

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    I get the impression Kirk and Co. were fucked from the beginning. Even if they had followed orders, Marcus would have made them the fall guys for the attack on the Klingons.
     
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    See, even when I try to have a normal discussion with you, you can't help but to give it that extra little bit of Jarod charm. Keep that in mind the next time you're wondering why it seems like there's a bit of a negative edge in my responses to you around the board.
     
  15. Opus

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    That was the plan: Have Kirk fire into Klingon Space with the long-range torpedoes, stranded because the warp engines had been sabotaged with a viral program hidden in the computer system for the Klingons to find and destroy, starting a war.
     
  16. SeerSGB

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    This is why I think everything from the destruction of Section 31 to the attack on Daystrom was part of Marcus's plan. Whether Khan was in on it out not, is another story. Marcus could have been playing himi the whole way through.
     
  17. Yanks

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    Interesting topic.

    ...an alternate ending?

    What could have happened was Scotty says the same line as TWoK, but when Spock gets down there Kirk is outside the core and Bones tells Spock something like, “good thing he took his anti-radiation shot … he will take some time to recover, but he’ll live…” Then while Kirk lays there, with little to no energy, he – straining – whispers and tells Spock “the needs of the many Spock, Khan was a pawn too… you've got to stop him”. (or something to that effect)

    This eliminates the direct rip-off/reversal, doesn’t require Khan’s “super-blood” when there were 71 other sources right at Bones’ fingertips, and makes that tribble and life eternal bull-crap irrelevant.

    Oh, and then Spock could use his BRAINS and our wonderful crew instead of his brawn to catch Khan. Then maybe Spock could use his BRAINS and not warp back to Earth with Khan and the Vengeance in tow. You know, where 6+ billion people live placing them all at risk. What do we get? Let’s see, how can we crash a ship in San Francisco Bay and make everyone think its Enterprise in the trailer.
     
  18. Yanks

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    Then the trek faithful would have complained that they violated canon!! Khan chamber was programmed to open first on the Botany Bay.
     
  19. Opus

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    Or the fans would complain - "You missed the opportunity to have Khan in the movie?! Who's Harrison?! He's just a 'Khan-wannabe'! They should have just made him Khan! This movie sux!"

    The no-win scenario...
     
  20. JarodRussell

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    What about John Harrison would specifically remind you of Khan?