Re-writing the climax of STiD

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by WarpFactorZ, Sep 7, 2013.

  1. Kelthaz

    Kelthaz Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm not sure why you're jumping to the conclusion that because I pointed out a flaw in the film that I therefore consider that flaw an unrecoverable flaw that ruins the film. Yes, the "only ship in range" flaw exists in quite a bit of prior Trek and I'm not giving those shows a free pass. Nor am I claiming that this flaw ruins the film. Take my post at face value and don't read so much into it. I had problems with the film, but I rather liked Into Darkness.

    Uh, no. People complained about that flaw quite a bit in Generations, TMP, Best of Both Worlds, and lots more. Stop treating everyone who points out a flaw in this film as an obsessed nerd who holds the rest of Star Trek up on a pedestal. As I said to Locutus, stop reading so much into each individual post and take people at face value.
     
  2. OpenMaw

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    You're my new favorite person for this.
     
  3. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored The Mod Awakens Moderator

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    Well, the comments from this and the Orci thread below didn't exactly seem like glowing reviews, so I inferred that you weren't the biggest fan. However, I only mentioned that you seemed to consider these particular flaws a major issue, possibly a dealbreaker, not that you didn't enjoy anything about the films.

     
  4. M'Sharak

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    Good - someone else caught that besides me.
     
  5. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Of course people can offer different opinions. And maybe I didn't use the right word.

    However, when I stated my opinion about the climax, the pacing, and basic story telling, I cited examples. No one has offered an opinion different to my own with anything even approaching that.
     
  6. SeerSGB

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    Marcus could have also already had the Enterprise and Kirk flagged as rogues. Sends the rest of the fleet on a wild goose chase to find them while he goes to deal with it personally.
     
  7. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

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    7 good reasons. And in what, two hours?
     
  8. Set Harth

    Set Harth Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I take it you weren't impressed with Mars Defense? :p
     
  9. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

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    I still want to know whose idea it was to put warp nacelles on Typhoon class submarines and launch them into space. :lol:

    Hoping the Borg would die of confusion from LOLbombs?
     
  10. SeerSGB

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    I'm a bastard: first time I saw that scene in BoBW, I wasn't thinking "Wow the Borg are a serious threat", I started laughing. It's just the way they roll through, pow, pow, pow, and don't stop. Sort of "Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you"
     
  11. Chemahkuu

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    Yeah, those are the lamest defences I've ever seen, it was just hilarious after the Battle of Wolf 359 that they just sent out 3 glorified satellites with motors.
     
  12. Mountie1988

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    Guys, believe it or not, but space is really really big! Even between Earth and its Moon, such a vast distance, you simply do not 'see' something if you're not actually looking for it.

    Sure one may say: 'with all this sophisticated technology they should have gotten some sensor readings' but then again, Vengeance jammed all of Enterprise's signals with Anti-Leptons or whatever

    Really, this movie has some more serious problems than the undetected battle in Earth's gravity field
     
  13. BillJ

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    I know. No Star Trek fan should have to put up with a fun and exciting movie. Gives me the shivers just thinking about it.
     
  14. Kelthaz

    Kelthaz Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Oh, please. :rolleyes:
     
  15. BillJ

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    That's the type of response one should expect when they say the movie has problems yet doesn't list any of them.
     
  16. Mountie1988

    Mountie1988 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Hey, I liked this movie a lot. My girlfriend, not so much. Too much violence. My brother, nope. Didn't like the men in the torpedoes. I understand this and I've got some more issues like...
    1. Vengeance too developed compared to Starfleet's flagship
    2. Khan slaughtering dozens of Klingons without being hit once
    3. Big bad ship, once again
    4. Too much comic influence

    But that's not my point. My point is: Space is really really big.
    Nice try to detract...
     
  17. SeerSGB

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    Star Trek has always had a problem with depicting scale when it comes to space. Especially when it comes to space battles. Truth is, if they did it "accurately", it'd be pretty fucking boring cause the ships wouldn't even be in visual range of each other, much less as close as they get in the movies and shows.
     
  18. OpenMaw

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    Do you have to belittle people with different opinions than yours? I mean, I like the movie, but that doesn't mean I don't have some criticisms. That doesn't mean "I want it to be boring." :techman:
     
  19. BillJ

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    After spending four years being belittled over these movies, being called the "drooling masses" and a fan of "least common denominator" fare. A bit of turnabout is fair play.
     
  20. ichab

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    Hell during all of The Wrath Of Khan I was asking where the rest of the fleet was.;)
     

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