Discussion in 'Voyager' started by 2takesfrakes, Dec 14, 2013.
I'm surprised that a more Janeway-centric episode isn't your most watched Voyager episode!!
Nature also abhors Sarah Silverman.
Now, there's a subject I want to discuss!
I love her Stand-up. I can't even begin to explain why, but I think it's because of the "reality" of it. She's just there, with an audience, trying out different material and it's the closest to whomever she really is that we, as an audience, get to see. And see her you can, in this clip from when her rose was in bloom and looking very beautiful, as she charms the beguiled ... ENJOY!
The following link answers all of your questions regarding her brush with being permanently cast in STAR TREK: VOYAGER ...
Personally, I love "Future's End" for many reasons - not the least of which is Sarah Silverman's essay of Rain Robinson. You'll notice that there's no trace of her trademark outrageousness in this role. Her ability to act and the fact that she genuinely seems to be enjoying herself in this two-parter are very evident. I'm not the least surprised that "they" considered casting her as a series regular. I wish I could say I was disappointed, because I really like her and Tom together. But ... she was destined for greater things.
I just saw Future's End. Once Torres and Chakotay were captured, the episode started entering "Pulp Fiction Territory" as to "Geez, how much trouble can they run into"?
Coincidentally both troubles consist of backwoods hillbillies.
Torres is quite the varmint.
"Future's End" and "Pulp Fiction" do seem to have quite a bit in common with eachother. Not the least of which is that they both feature loopy, yet very beautiful, brunettes ...
I love that she got sued for slander by Joe Franklin for her piece in The Aristocrats. As this guy here said, it was perfect because she did push the joke too far--like you're supposed to.
Very interesting comment and article about Sarah Silverman! I particularly liked how it goes on to say that ...
Variety has called her "rail-thin yet full-bosomed,"
and the New York Times (the description of record) "babelicious";
The New Yorker recently described her as "coltish, with shiny black hair and a china-doll complexion" (and added, in a weirdly zoological flourish, that she "moves like a vervet monkey").
She's been on Maxim's "Hot 100" list (after Jennifer Love Hewitt, before Norah Jones)
and is currently the cover girl for the Jewish magazine Heeb, for which she has also written porn reviews.
In another article/blog I happened to have read about her, recently, it has Leah Berkenwald asking people: "What's your beef with Sarah Silverman?" and goes on to mention some interesting aspects about her and her act, especially ...
"I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan, but over the years, my appreciation for Sarah Silverman has grown. ... [E]very now and then she hits it out of the park. Like with her "I'm f-ing Matt Damon" video. And I have a lot of respect for the political advocacy she's done, like The Great Schlep and her video about gay rights in response to the "It Gets Better" campaign. In her own way, she is pretty feminist."
Also...Memory Alpha seems to say that Voyager destroying the Aeon means all the events never happened, so Ed Begley stayed a hippy, and Rain never met Paris. while that's possible I suppose, I didn't get that from the episode and there's also no reason why everything could still have happened. It's not like everyone on Voyager started suddenly saying "Why are we in the 1990's?"
I'm not so sure about Memory Alpha's take on this. It's not unusual in STAR TREK to just use Time Travel to reset a situation and pretend like it never happened, so that Life goes on. THE VOYAGE HOME, of course, being a movie, is allowed to contradict this, entirely and does so with a cheesey grin on everybody's face, at the end. Whales do not belong in 23rd Century oceans and Gillian Taylor sure as hell has no business being in any other century but the 20th! Yet ... there it is.
And, in "Future's End," the "Gillian" is not, unfortunately Rain Robinson, as it should well have done. No. It is actually the Doctor. He becomes a new character in this episode, forever changed, in that he is now, as he so eloquently put it, "Footloose & Fancy Free." But as for Rain Robinson and all the rest on 20th Century Earth, who knows? For all VOYAGER wonders, who cares what they know, or think they know? We got what "we" wanted! But it would've been sweet, had Tom and Rain had made sweet love in her little blue van.
Then, at the end of the episode, after Tom's beamed up and everything, Rain's gassing her van up at a gas station, talking into a taperecorder and touching her belly ... "Will I tell Tom's child who his father was? He deserves that. Though we only knew eachother 24 hours ... we loved a lifetime's worth!"
I once spent an hour on the phone debating with my Trek editor on how much of "Future's End" had actually happened and how much had been "erased" from the timeline. We never did resolve the matter.
(Which is why I largely stayed away from "Future's End" in my Eugenics Wars novels.)
I can see it now... Voyager finally makes it home to Earth, and Janeway is trying to get various crewmembers' legal troubles sorted out. Tom is worried about his official release from the prison in Auckland when his lawyer says, "Lieutenant, you've got another problem: A suit has been filed on behalf of Rain Robinson and family, claiming you owe 400 years' worth of child support (including the interest)!"
It did seem a little disconnected when Rain suddenly showed up on Roberta's doorstep. I don't remember if you explained any kind of connection, or just left the reader to reason out that Roberta would have heard about the odd happenings during the events of "Future's End" and met Rain while investigating it.
(Yes I am aware who you are, but by this point you should be aware about how obnoxious I am.)
Braxton from the beginning (Braxton A), and Braxton from the end (Braxton B) are from completely (mildly) different timelines.
More importantly, the Braxton from the beginning did not believe in alternate timelines or that choices create branches in the time stream, even though he tried to change the future by destroying Voyager even though it was already predestined to destroy the Earth. His math was bad, and he was probably shellshocked, which is why he was charging at a windmill.
A leads to b leads to c leads to A.
Braxton A was from a timeline Voyager was destroyed in Season 3.
Braxton B was from a time line where Voyager had a rich and important future history probably extending to the original timeline in Endgame which was a 21 year epic journey home with Dead Seven and crazy Tuvok.
All of Futures End happened in both Braxton A and Braxton B's recorded history up to the point that Voyager rammed the Aeon and crashed into 29th century Earth, or fired a torpedo and did not crash into 29th century earth.
Both Braxtons are from different futures who can coexist and do coexist, even though one of their futures is now (probably?) unreachable, which is why 3 years later in Relativity that we found out that the two Braxton's had been integrated into a single gestalt entity.
It's the Doctor's mobile emitter.
If the Doctor didn't have the mobile emitter from Starling, then he couldn't have helped Janeway launch that torpedo (it's possible he helped at the last second, it's also possible that he was only there to help get her out, the script I'm reading isn't %100 clear.) and Chakotay would have had to ram the Aeon and Voyager would have collided with 29th century Earth.
(Without the Doctor, Chkotay and Torres would never have been rescued from the Survivalist enclosure? That means that Janeway would have been in the captains Chair posturing against that hunk Starling, while random #### up X failed to launch the Torpedo before Janeway's death urge kicked in.)
This would mean that one timeline had 29th century mobile emitter technology 500 years earlier than the other, which would have been a staggering leap forward, and why Christopher in his time agent books suggests that only timelines with that cheat sheet can fight back the Borg.
Indeed ... "Future's End" has layer upon layer of connotations, implications and possibilities on offer. And, dare I say it, this is fast becoming my favourite VOYAGER thread!
As these photographers soon discovered - First Hand - Sarah Silverman is too beautiful to ignore. And believe me, I've tried. Oh, how I've tried! But she's been pushing her newest site quite hard, of late, so it's only fair that I should let you know. It's called Jash and it features videos and tour dates for Silverman, as well as the rest of her Jash cohorts. Might you be interested ... want the details? Well, then ... I say, Welcome to the Show:
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