Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Crom!, May 30, 2012.
Yeah. Very much agreed. Don't like the work? Don't see the movie. It really isn't hard.
Yeah, come on Set. Ridley may have lost a step over the years, but George Lucas he is not. And after K.W. Jeter's ridiculous three book "sequels" (excuse me - ), I can't see Ridley doing any worse. Certainly not enough to ruin the first film.
I'm not sure why you think that mercenaries who run like scared children at the sight of a 2,000 year old dead body, get lost while in possession of mapping robots and an active comlink, and play pull my finger with space cobras is somehow a significant improvement. You've just substituted two people who really suck at their jobs and behave irrationally with two more people who really suck at their jobs and behave irrationally, with the added suckiness of them now leaving the very people they were supposed to protect or observe if they were mercs.
Also, Prometheus had armed security personnel (mercenaries) who identified themselves as such and were going to accompany the scientists into the temple with guns until Drs. Shaw and Holloway gave the order not to. They were the guys who were shooting at zombie Fifield later on in the movie. So, why do Shaggy and Scooby need to be mercenaries too?
The Blunder Twins (Millburn and Fifield) didn't know they were dealing with ancient astronauts until they had already arrived at LV-223. It played no part in their decision to go on the mission, and in Fifield's case, he explicitly said he was in it for the money.
I also would think that recruiting competent scientists for what is at this point a revolutionary space mission to another world -- even if you leave aside the whole alien aspect -- should be no trouble at all. Realistically, people would be jumping at the chance.
None of this makes sense when you have the CEO of the company who is a true believer along for the ride. You don't choose psychologically unstable incompetents for key positions on the extremely risky and groundbreaking mission you are also going on. They tend to hire experienced personnel and then rigorously test for these kinds of psychological problems with endless simulation, medical testing, and psych profiles. Can people slip through the cracks? Sure, but that's extremely rare.
As far as the hibernation goes, that's a possibility, but it just seems like you keep grasping at straws to try and explain what were really just terribly written characters.
Even with my disappointment with Prometheus and Scott's rather lackluster films of the past several years, I'm still looking forward to seeing what he plans to do with the new Blade Runner movie (although I won't get my hopes up so much like I did this time). I know some people feel that disappointing sequels/prequels/remakes take away from the source material, but that stuff doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the originals. I still love the Star Wars OT (pre-alteration versions) just as much as I did before the Prequels came along. And for all its many faults, I do appreciate the amount of new material and discussion Prometheus has infused the Alien universe with. I've done more reading and theorizing on the Alien franchise since Prometheus came out than I've done in twenty years.
Body of Lies and American Gangster were pretty good, IMO. I even liked A Good Year. That movie had some undeniable charm. And Russel Crowe was pretty damn awesome in all three of these. Robin Hood was crap, though.
Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.
But not recognizing that script for a piece of shit that it was most certainly is his fault.
The question is whether he had any choice or not.
This is Ridley fucking Scott were talking about.
Because of his clout Scott largely had final approval on what went on screen (plus control of the editing) and was involved in the initial script with Spaihts and the rewrite process along with Lindelof. He writes extremely detailed storyboards with elaborate drawings of what he wants to see onscreen and dialogue and plot ideas which were incorporated into the script. He was the one who came up with the whole Space Jesus idea and some of the other mythology. He was as much responsible for the script as they were, since this was his baby; his pet project. To absolve him of responsibility for the poor quality of the characters and plot and dump it entirely in Lindelof's lap is inaccurate and unfair. He knew what was happening as he filmed it, and if there was a problem in his eyes he could have ordered a change to the script.
Clint Eastwood is still knocking them out in his 80s.
But money limits everything and everyone.
It wouldn't have cost more money to have made sure the characters in Prometheus didn't resemble Abbot and Costello when writing the first draft.
The fetish for the director as the supposed main creator causes some of these problems. Scott, as we know from his notorious non-comprehension of Blade Runner, is not the sharpest tool in the box. So if he takes too many liberties, the thinking gets screwed up. Another part of the problem is the idea that because movies are visual media (forgetting they are audiovisual,) and one picture is a thousand words, that means the creation of pictures (as in storyboards) is the key to creating a movie. Unfortunately, by a perversion of math, a thousand words is worth more than a million pictures when it comes to communicating ideas.
Feature filmmaking is the realm of the Director. He has final say on a script.
They also say a script is written three times. 1. By the writer. 2. On set. 3. In the editing room. Scott has control of 2 of 3 of those. (And a great deal of control over #1.)
It is absolutely his fault. It's not like he was some hired hand. It's HIS movie. HIS vision.
I really want to see the Special features and Commentary on the disc release as much as seeing the film again on BluRay.
If there was any sense in this world, Lindelof would have difficulties finding employment in Hollywood after this. This was a potentially great movie that was single-handedly ruined by a terrible script.
In other words, it's smooth sailing for Lindelof.
If that's true, it shows that Lindelof was pretty much imposed on Scott and that Scott didn't have the final word in this production. Those who have the money call the shots.
As director I'm sure that Ridley Scott had a say in the cut of the movie that hit the theater, so I do think it's possible that the deleted scenes and/or director's cut on the DVDs could make more sense of the movie.
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