PROMETHEUS - Grade and Discuss

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Roshi, May 30, 2012.

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Prometheus - Poll

Poll closed May 30, 2013.
  1. A +

    6.9%
  2. A

    11.6%
  3. A -

    13.8%
  4. B +

    18.5%
  5. B

    14.2%
  6. B -

    9.1%
  7. C +

    8.2%
  8. C

    3.4%
  9. C -

    6.5%
  10. D

    5.2%
  11. F

    2.6%
  1. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'm always wondering why we see all this, but the scriptwriters don't.
     
  2. tighr

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    Care to point out a time in the video? It's over two hours long, I'm not keen on watching that whole thing.
     
  3. Sci

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    It's always easier to see what's wrong or not working in a piece of art when you're not the one who's created it. It's possible to just be too close to something to see its flaws.

    There is also, of course, the attendant issues of deadlines and timeframes and production pressures to get a workable draft down by a certain date, and if it's not completely perfect, well, too bad, that's the deadline.
     
  4. Professor Zoom

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    The whole movie sorta fails at science... it's a science fiction film written by people who I wonder even have a passing knowledge of science and how science work.

    Not that I need perfect science in a movie... but when... Ok, one of the scenes that drove me nuts was when there was a "perfect match" in our DNA and the DNA of the engineers. Yet.... we look NOTHING like them. We share 99% of our DNA with chimps and they look REALLY different than we do.

    And also... if the engineers gave life to Earth, wouldn't EVERYTHING have the SAME DNA?

    If the movie has said there was a match, but not 100%, that we just SHARED some DNA... then ok... fine....

    Again... this movie is simplistic. It couldn't be sharing DNA, because people would get confused, it HAD to be 100% for the story to make "sense."

    As I first said, the movie is twaddle.
     
  5. RoJoHen

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    My thoughts on this were that the Engineers represented Humanity's evolutionary future. Perhaps a few million years ago, the Engineers looked much like us. Overtime, however, they grew larger, lost their hair, and turned grey. Maybe that's where we're headed. Humans have been getting taller over the centuries.
     
  6. Professor Zoom

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    Which again would ignore Darwin in order for that to make sense. OR that we as a race will have the exact same environmental influences for millions of years.
     
  7. Shurik

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    Exactly. Also, it fails at portraying scientists. Those idiots are on the alien planet, have just made probably the greatest discovery in the human history, and then the biologist runs away at first sight of alien life and the geologist claims that he has nothing to do there? Where is their curiosity? For a real scientist, being in this situation should be like being a kid in a candy store.
     
  8. Professor Zoom

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    And not to be out done, what about Hipster Archaeology guy.... during the autopsy, he could barely be bothered... the BIGGEST discovery of LIFETIMES... and he could barely sit there... maybe he wanted to go listen to some emo music and write poetry...
     
  9. banzaiduck

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    Sure, 2:18.43.

    I would recommend people check out the earlier portions as well as he discusses in detail the inception of LOST and many of the behind the scenes happenings.

    BANZAI!!!!!!!!
     
  10. RoJoHen

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    Well, it's also possible that we started with their DNA and then evolved on our own as a result of Earth's environment. Maybe we'll never look like the Engineers.

    I am admittedly not a geneticist, but how does our DNA compare to our own ancient "humans?" Do the base pairs change, or are their other things that are affected by evolution? Perhaps the 100% match is of chromosomes? Could the same chromosomes result in a different outward appearance if two organisms grew up in different environments?
     
  11. Locutus of Bored

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    Yeah, Holloway was annoying too. Okay, so you didn't get to speak directly to the Gods, but it's still the most amazing discovery in history. But he just pouts around the ship like a kid who didn't get a toy for Christmas and starts acting like a dick to the android.
     
  12. RoJoHen

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    Well, clearly the Engineers should have been waiting there with a welcoming party. "Greetings, Earthlings! We've been waiting for you for thousands of years! So glad you could finally make it!"
     
  13. RAMA

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    Finally saw it, a very firm A- from me, I'd like to think about an actual opinion post after I've digested it a bit more (no pun intended). Just a few quick observations:

    1. There were a few normal horror movie issues...like the dumb character syndrome, but overall the movie felt like a more serious attempt at SF than we normally get in a big budget movie.

    2. I loved the philosophical themes and exploration better than the straight suspense of the first Alien movie....I must be one of the 5% of people who liked that stuff better, and wasn't waiting around for chest-bursters. I've heard some friends say their kids didn't like it because they basically wanted "Star Wars: Phantom Menace" from their space movies.

    3. The movie stole some scenes from my ST9 synopsis that I wrote in 2000! I love that they were in my head with those. I should give it an A+ for that alone.

    4. The movie answered many questions, but what is left really makes me want to see what happens...far more than any horror movie tropes from the other Alien movies....related to this...my one biggest question, why was the "Engineer" in such a hurry to launch when he woke up? We don't know why they wanted to destroy their creations so badly...although I have some ideas...

    Avengers was an entertaining popcorn movie, Prometheus was a much better movie. I love that it made me think and kept me thinking afterwards.

    RAMA
     
  14. Professor Zoom

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    I'm not one either, but, our genetic ancestors don't look like us... and since evolution just doesn't stop, our progeny (thousands and thousands of years from now) won't look like us.

    If the match was 100% for chromosomes then they should've said chromosomes. And even then, I don't think it would work scientifically.

    I don't feel like we, as an audience, should do the homework of the screenwriters. Why should we fill in the gaps of the writing for it to make sense? This isn't a murky... "hey, do you think this was the motivation?" or "I think this weird surreal moment meant this...." No, this is science. Fact. It shouldn't be hard.

    Again, I think they simplified things for consumption.
     
  15. RoJoHen

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    @ RAMA

    The problem with it is that the more you think about it, the more you realize it makes no sense. I liked it at first, and then I kept thinking about it. Now I think it sucks.
     
  16. tighr

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    I think the same video (or excerpts of it) was posted on the LOST thread over at AVS. I said it over there, so I'll say it again here: I only watched Prometheus because of Ridley Scott. Prior to the film's release, I was already skeptical of what this film was going to be simply because Lindelof's name was attached. Frankly, I think he ruined LOST. I will think twice about watching any TV show or film to which his name is attached.
     
  17. Disruptor

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    Saw it today. It was entertaining, but there's so much wrong with it that it's staggering.

    This is a major expedition with massive corporate funding, recruit the strangest geologist ever. And dumbest biologist (also In 2089 ugly glasses will be popular).

    Black goo that does whatever it wants. Hey, is this the X-Files?

    Acid for blood...for some reason. Makes non-earth worms hostile mutants...worms they didn't detect.

    A map to the stars...not their home, but a bio-weapons facility...er...oaky.

    And the theory going around the engineers hate us because of what happened to Jesus. :wtf:

    Let's hire Guy Pearce to play a 100 year old dude. Robert Duvall was unavailable.

    Theron's character is a *censored* but will sleep with a guy she doesn't know after talking to him for 2 minutes. What? MAYBE TO PISS OFF HER DAD? Or that Robot turned her down?
     
  18. RAMA

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    What I was expecting...and should have happened, is that we shared some genetic material, enough for there to be a match and relate to the story, but I can understand why it may have been simplified.

    RAMA
     
  19. tighr

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    Regarding Guy Pearce, I can't help but imagine that he was cast to play the elderly Weyland because in the sequel, he'll be back as an android (or we'll at least see his younger self).
     
  20. RAMA

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    I'm surprised at how ignorant people are on SF boards about real technology...most likely that was some sort of advanced nanotechnology as well as biotech involved.

    There was a lot more than just Earth on the 3D map.

    I don't think sleeping with the captain had anything to do with her dad...