Political Animals

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by stj, Jul 17, 2012.

  1. Guy Gardener

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    Imagine if Clinton had said to the American people said "I fucked her. It was great. And if you vote me in for a third term, I'll show you the sex tape."

    Yes, term limits rests at 2. I get it, but some Caligula wannabe is going to repeal that eventually.
     
  2. Count Zero

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    An excellent re-election strategy!
     
  3. Harvey

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    Weaver might be drawing an extra salary in her role as EP, but I don't think it means an extra residual payment.
     
  4. Temis the Vorta

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    Grandma and TJ are the best part of the show. Still I'm starting to like it and will watch it till it gets the axe.
     
  5. Harvey

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    Just asked a producer friend, looks like I was wrong here. He tells me that in TV executive producers get residuals; in features producers get residuals.
     
  6. Kosh Naranek

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    TJ and Grandma are the best.

    SW tries to sell it but, CH seems miscast in this role. He does not sound like anyone from NC, ever, and the portrayl smacks of ham.
     
  7. stj

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    Thanks for asking and relaying the answer.
     
  8. stj

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    Carla Gugino really isn't that nice.:lol:

    The Supreme Court ploy was nicely plotted. The show's feminist cultural "politics" is much more committed than anything I remember from a Sorkin series, which reveled in highlighting how intelligent people will accept the merits of conservatism when it's right, i.e., moderate enough to pass for civilized.

    Giving Ciaran Hinds' Bud LBJ's crassness without giving him any real liberalism beyond feminism leaves you wondering how Sigourney Weaver was anything besides a Ladybird.
     
  9. Guy Gardener

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    They did that "I'm trying not to die" sitting Supreme Court Judge on the West Wing.

    Bartlett wound up taking a lesson on how Donna's parents chose their cats. they couldn't decide on one together, so they each got their own. William Fichtner and Glenn Close if i recall.
     
  10. Temis the Vorta

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    I'm starting to like Dougie as the resident Marilyn trying to survive a family of political Munsters.

    Grandma gets all the best lines, "queen shit of the United States of Elaineland." :D

    And I've long suspected that William Fichtner and Glenn Close are more feline than human.
     
  11. stj

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    Some years ago I broke down a door to get to my sister who was comatose from a diabetic reaction and I have found a suicide attempt and I have found an aspiration victim. The dual climax to this episode was too powerfully and too personally affecting to really judge I suppose. It was good to see Ciaran Hinds do something besides an LBJ impersonation.

    But, the wishful thinking that someone powerful would be so human as to care about some Chinese, even over personal political gain, is very attractive. It's very obvious that however she started, Elaine Barrish Hammond is not Hilary Clinton.

    The journalists' byplay is sort of believable. It's obvious that Gugino wants to be a kind of Ted Sorensen/Arthur Schlesinger insider who gets to write books that get treated as history instead of catbox liner, although the show doesn't say it explicitly.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

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    The first thing Ellen does.

    Half the price of beer and lower the drinking age to 9

    The second?

    Strip men of the right to vote.

    Gynotopia.
     
  13. Temis the Vorta

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    TJ and Dougie continue to be interesting characters, but the journalist stuff is a snooze, and Elaine's lecture vis a vis the poor dying Chinese sailors was too one sided. I find it extremely boring when writers arrange things to make their main character some shining paragon of morality vs the awful people around her. Nope, far too easy.

    This show is unlikely to get a second season, which is all for the best. It's had some good moments but overall it's a case of a very good cast being wasted on poor writing.
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    This is a time of war, not a war with china, but still wartime, and those are spies.

    After they rescue those seamen, don't they have to be hanged?

    Although they're in uniform, so they don't qualify as out right spies unprotected by the Geneva convention.
     
  15. Count Zero

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    Is anyone else annoyed by the perpetual lensflare in this show? Is it supposed to signify something?
     
  16. stj

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    The continuing story is dumped for the day, in favor of flashbacks and a resolution to the rinky dink Chinese sub crisis that 1.) really hammmers us with the Sorkinesque notions of world affairs the show is saddled with and 2.) kills the Elaine running for president storyline. Either the main arc is over or they're going to have to do script CPR. Neither was a good idea. The contemporary scenes were largely Granny and Bulimia clean out a bedroom, TJ sleeps in bed and Dougie and Susan go to bed. There's a kind of theme there, but it's not really a story.
     
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  17. jb1234

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    I was spending most of the time during the Susan/Douglas scenes hoping they weren't going to take the easy and cliched route. Unfortunately, they did. Doug had potential but there's nothing that kills a character faster than an adultery/cheating storyline. Disappointing, just like the entire episode. The cast is so good but the writing just isn't there.

    (I did enjoy Bud punching the VP. Once again predictable but at least satisfying.)
     
  18. Count Zero

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    There were some enjoyable and funny scenes, one of them unintentionally so (I always have to laugh at women keeping their bra on during passionate sex in US shows). Bud became a more sympathetic character. I disliked the cheating storyline, especially because it's out of character for Doug to do this. Also, he's the chief of staff of the Secretary of State who should be more disciplined than that.
    The cast is very good and most of the characters are fairly interesting, the visuals are good, too, but the storylines aren't very good.
     
  19. Guy Gardener

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    "This is not just off the record, I'm going to bend you over the record and take you on it."
     
  20. Count Zero

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