Plot for a new Star Trek Series

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by dan_bevan, Jul 26, 2013.

  1. Belz...

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    I don't know. Humans have been telling the same few stories for the last couple of thousand years. We seem to be getting along fine. ;)
     
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    Which isn't the same thing as a while series of episodes on the topic. Apple, meet orange.
     
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    Is it just me or does this seem like its the exercise of saying, what would the plot of the Mass Effect trilogy look like in the Star Trek universe? My other concern here is 2899. The farther we go into the future and try realistically display what that technology and civilization would look like, the harder it is to make it feel relevant or recognizable today. I'm guessing it would be a pretty hard balancing act to pull off successfully. Why not just have it take place in 2450 where the lasting effect of the Dominion War, as well as 50 years of troubles with neighboring empires have turned the Federation into a security first and everything else, including exploration, being a distant second.
     
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    You have it spot on.

    I'll pass.

    Too much sentlement towards ideas and productions of old cancelled TV shows in the 1990's - there is only so much you can spin off from the original Trek concept, that's why the reboot is the only way to make Trek work in today's mainstream.
     
  6. dan_bevan

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    Haven't seen Mass Effect. Was thinking about that, maybe not as far into the future as that. I've been thinking 2600 though, far enough ahead after the Treks we all now. But not too far.

    If your interested in reading more about this series i've created a thread in fan productions:
    http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=220978
     
  7. Hober Mallow

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    Not just the mainstream. I was a Trek fan from before TNG, and I'm burned out on spin-offs. I just want real Star Trek now -- Kirk, Spock, the Enterprise, and a good story. No Captain Benson Harding of the Federation Starship Pantheon, no Cadet Sel'ltza of Starfleet Academy's elite Red Squad, no Captain Elizabeth Walker of the 29th Century Federation Timeship Moon-phase.

    I'm not a big fan of Abrams' Trek, but it's given me hope that the next reboot could be even better. And, if not, the next one after that could be good. But no more TV spinoffs. Team Berman beat that horse to death.
     
  8. dan_bevan

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    So everyone just wants to see TOS rebooted every 5-10 years...!?! That is lame!

    The majority of Trek fans want to see Star Trek back on tv. That is where it belongs. It needs to be original and done right and created for a new generation but also appealing to the older generation of Trek fans. It needs to be far enough away from the older Trek so it's not just rehashing everything and going over things that have been done to death but it still needs to keep the same Trek vibe.
     
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    So you don't want new stuff, then ? That's very unfortunate.
     
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    I'm with Hober Mallow on this one. Simply, I'm burnt out on the watered-down Trek that we got in the mid-90's. For all his flaws, something happened when Roddenberry passed away. It seemed like all the fun was sucked out of the franchise. Abrams brought back the fun and I hope that if a TV series is launched that they look to the Abrams films and TOS and remember fun is part of the equation.
     
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    That's a pretty fun analysis on TNG's success.
     
  12. BillJ

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    It wasn't a statement solely about TNG. The statement was about 1987-2005, the entirety of "Modern Trek".

    As far as TNG is concerned, I really started to get bored with it around season five.
     
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    Well even TOS and TMP era watching it today is very dated, but it is indeed very watchable and entertaining because the core of Trek runs through TOS and TMP with the Kirk and his crew and the serenity and heroics of the Enterprise.

    JJAbrams trek is simply a modern take of those concepts that worked and made Trek likable.

    The rest of the stuff (odo vs quark, harry kim, seven of nine, the opening theme tune to Enterprise, cut n paste ship battles, gagh and blood honour klingons) can all safely be forgotten.
     
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    You watched it too much. The reruns I've occasionally watched, most of them between seasons 5-7, were all very good. Either the drama was very nice, or more rarely, there was some ridiculous 'Star Trek'-moment. I'll see the spin-offs some day, perhaps when the reruns end again. At least once it has worked very well with lead characters other than the TOS crew, it might work again.
     
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  15. Hober Mallow

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    Of course I want knew stuff. New stuff with Kirk, Spock, and the Enterprise. Same as I want new stuff with Sherlock Holmes, not Sherlock Holmes' great-grandson Maynard Nelson Holmes or any other goofy spinoff.
     
  16. dan_bevan

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    Well that isn't going to happen so its just wishful thinking. The actors of the new star trek films are big movie stars and would not sign for a tv series which would mean they would have to do yet another reboot which would piss people off. They would probably set a new series straight after the events of Voy but I think this would be a bad idea as they have dragged them stories out too. The only way to do it is to create a completely new original story set in distant future where you can introduce new aliens but obviously keeping the core of star trek and using elements of the original series
     
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    Who exactly would they piss-off? Many movies have moved to the small screen with new casts. So they may or may not reboot again.

    Of course it's a bad idea, that's why we got the Abramsverse to begin with.


    So the only way to do it is too introduce new characters that continue to water down the brand? The only way to introduce new aliens is to move to the far future? Enterprise had no issue introducing new aliens and it took place a hundred plus years prior to TOS.

    General audiences really don't seem to have great memories of Modern Trek. So it seems to me that the worst thing you can do is make Star Trek: The Generic Generation. The only people who would be watching were the same people who were watching Enterprise at the end and it would quickly get flushed.

    I think people need to face the fact that the only real currency Trek has to barter with when it comes to general audiences is Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise. The worst thing you can do is push it further into the future where the technology becomes magic and the characters would be unrecognizable as human beings.

    YMMV.
     
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    I don't get all the reverence for Roddenberry. His ideas weren't so great, and he wasn't the only one involved in the show. And how about TMP ? Few people thought it represented TOS well (although I do love that movie.)

    TNG and DS9 were excellent shows, imo.

    Yeah, that's what I said: you want "new" stuff but not really new. I has not be "new" but have the very same characters. I don't get that. As long as the show is good, it can be with any crew or ship or setting. And TOS was super fun but immensely repetitive, recycling the same stuff over and over.
     
  19. Konata Izumi

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    If they can manage to introduce the next Picard, aka the next Kirk, they can water down the brand with that. Throw in a few wacky Geordis and Rikers and stuff will work like it always has with those.

    Show used to be about stuff in the future but it doesn't feel that way unless they create new tech alongside the cliches. It's just what the show is about. It's not cliches in the future, but a sensible balance of new and old stuff. They are not trying right now when it comes to imagining future and they could try a little. They're just changing the aesthetic of stuff popularized in the 60's.

    Not that the last few spin-offs were any better in that regard what I've heard of them.
     
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  20. BillJ

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    There was a sense of seriousness that set in when Roddenberry left the day-to-day running of TNG. For me, Star Trek is about exploring a weird and wild frontier where anything could happen with larger-than-life heroes.

    It definitely lost that after Roddenberry's passing.

    Not to mention none of these other Trek series would even exist if he didn't create the format to begin with.

    What stories can you tell with Captain Huge Douchebag and the U.S.S. Fanboy (NCC-2,000,000 with 15 type-MLCVII pulse phaser cannons) that you can't tell with Captain Kirk and the U.S.S. Enterprise?

    Douchebag and company aren't really new, they're just variations on a theme.

    The funniest thing about this argument is that TOS had the shortest run of the five live-action series and yet no one seemed to have a problem with TNG, DS9 or VOY doing 170+ episodes. Seems to me there is still room for new adventures of Kirk and Company.