Picard's age:

Discussion in 'The Next Generation' started by Kobayshi Maru, Jul 27, 2014.

  1. Tiberius

    Tiberius Commodore Commodore

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    Oh dear God...

    *Collapses*

    Although I did click one of the other videos that pops up on the screen after that finished, and found this...

    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpcoOTXdQbk#t=79[/yt]
     
  2. Nerys Myk

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    I think it's gonna be a long long time...til Kobayshi Maru gets the joke.
     
  3. Kobayshi Maru

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    Nice try Einstein, but had you taken the time to look around before opening your fly trap you'd have noticed that your friend has displayed the video clip already.

    It looks like it's been a long long time since you've said anything above mediocre.
     
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  4. T'Girl

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    The day after Archer transferred his consciousness into Portos body, Scotty killed him in a transporter experiment.

    Picard: " I was remembering being at the helm of the Stargazer. A manoeuvre was being made. We were hit. "

    Later, "I did what any good helmsman would have done. "

    :)
     
  5. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk The Real Me Premium Member

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    Why such hostility?
     
  6. Kobayshi Maru

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    I could ask you the same.
     
  7. Nerys Myk

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    Mine was a joke, nothing hostile. Nor did it contain any actual insults. Your's could be viewed as a violation of the board rules.
     
  8. Kobayshi Maru

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    You are the one violating the rules. You implied that I was stupid and I responded by a joke. Your deliberate interpretation of my joke as a violation of the rules is aggressive therefore in violation of the rules.
     
  9. Nerys Myk

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    :confused:
     
  10. Kobayshi Maru

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    What I am saying is that everything you want to accuse me of, applies to you as well.

    Why do you call people stupid at the drop of a hat? That's something you should think about.
     
  11. Mutai Sho-Rin

    Mutai Sho-Rin Crusty Old Bastard Moderator

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    Drop it!
     
  12. yenny

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    That is a reference from The Battle, which he was referring about responding to a attacked of a unknown Ferengi starship on the Stargazer.

    But later in 11001001 he does mention being a helmsmen; And there nothing wrong for a Helmsman being First Officer. Cause the First Officer of Captain Pike Enterprise, I think was a Helmsman.
     
  13. T'Girl

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    Really? My read of the episode was that Pike's helmsman was Lieutenant Jose Tyler. My speculation is that Number One was seated at something like "ops."

    Based on the episode's dialog.


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  14. yenny

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    According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia, Jose Tyler was the ship Navigator.
     
  15. T'Girl

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    Never seen it, but I have seen the episode.

    :)
     
  16. Timo

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    We know Pike's XO sat at the console in front of him, and while we didn't see her actually steer the ship explicitly, she was one of the two people pressing buttons and concentrating on the forward view when Pike wanted the ship navigated to the next destination.

    Also, we saw one of Sulu's highest-ranking underlings, a Lieutenant Commander with yellow collar (offscreen and in credits, he's known as LtCmdr Lojur), steering the Excelsior. We saw one of Kirk's highest-ranking underlings, LtCmdr Gary Mitchell, steering the Enterprise. Dialogue didn't specify these people as their respective skippers' Executives, but didn't rule out that possibility, either.

    Until Worf came aboard, Sisko's highest-ranking underling aboard the Defiant, Dax, sat at the helm of that ship. A Bajoran officer of higher rank was present, too, though, and later she was suggested to be the ship's second-in-command, except when Worf was suggested to be that. It was a muddled issue, but again steering the ship was an acceptable job for the XO at least for a while.

    What rank or position Picard held when he took command of the bridge in that incident mentioned in "Tapestry", we don't know. Could have been lowly Lt (j.s.) in charge of Life Support Monitoring, as long as he was there on the bridge and everybody higher up either wasn't, or was incapacitated.

    FWIW, Q lists two distinct heroics for Picard, this taking-over-the-bridge being the second one. The list could be argued to be chronological, given the context, meaning the previous listed heroic would have come first. That one involved Picard leading an away team, which doesn't call for high rank, so we are none the wiser. All we know is that the bridge-commanding incident must have taken place after Picard's graduation and stabbing by the Nausicaan, so he held at least the Ensign rank he had at that time - and that it probably took place before his promotion to Captain rank, because few ships have more than one person of that rank present, and the Stargazer probably wasn't captained by an Admiral with a Captain as an underling. So it's still extremely vague, and thankfully so.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  17. Nerys Myk

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    IIRC, Tyler is noted as being the navigator in the production materials for "The Cage".
     
  18. LMFAOschwarz

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    Well, just to muddy the waters a bit further, there were i think a couple of instances early in The Original Series where at episodes' end, Kirk says to Spock "Take us out of orbit, Mr. Spock.". or words to that effect...
     
  19. Ithekro

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    Sometimes a CO will instruct the XO to give the orders to the crew to perform a task. The Captain gives an order to get something done to the First Officer, then the First Officer gives specific instructions to those that are needed to get that order completed. Things like telling engineering to power up the impulse unit and stand by for warp. Telling the navigator to plot a course specifically. Telling the helmsman to pilot the ship out of orbit. Telling communications to ask for clearances if needed, or just to report their leaving to Starfleet. Those sorts of thing.

    The Captain just needs to give an order, its the XO's job to see that it gets carried out. This is why you see in TNG, Riker repeating Picard's commands from time to time.
     
  20. Kobayshi Maru

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    The XO also speaks usually in a louder more authoritarian voice, that allows the captain to look like the good guy. People often think that the Captain is more humane and kind than his underlings because he's not the one roughing them up when the job is not done fast enough...