Picard's age:

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  1. Ithekro

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    The historical data on Captain Archer found onboard USS Defiant has Archer die the day after watching the USS Enterprise be commissioned in 2245. He would have been around 133 years old (born 2112).
     
  2. RoJoHen

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    I don't think it was really said. Worf definitely left.

    Did Data leave Starfleet, or was he simply doing another job at Starfleet Academy?

    As for Geordi, I don't think it really said. Did they mention his job at all? Was he retired?
     
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    Data held the Lucasian Chair in Cambridge. I don't think that even in the 24th century, a position that prestigious would have been "absorbed" by starfleet (although he still could technically be in Starfleet's service, I suppose).

    As for Geordi, Picard says the following line:

    "Well now that you're here, you can help me carry those tools. Well, my cooking may not be up to Leah's standards, but I can still make a decent cup of tea. Oh, I read your last novel. I thought that the protagonist a little too flamboyant, but for the rest I ..." (then he sees those people taunting him)

    Which implies that Geordi became a novelist (but perhaps not a full-time one).
     
  4. Ithekro

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    Probably after his stint as captain of the USS Challenger (if he kept that in the timeline). Though the comic prelude for Star Trek 2009 has Laforge doing engineering work for Starfleet in that he helped design the Jellyfish.
     
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    Ah, I forgot he was at Cambridge (though I had no idea what the Lucasian Chair was until I googled it just now).
     
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    They mention his grown family, Leah's appointment to director of the Daystrom Institute, & that he writes novels with flamboyant protagonists by Picard's standard

    So I believe from that they're suggesting Geordi is retired from service & writing novels or they'd have mentioned a post of some kind I'd imagine
     
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    Fair enough. I forgot that dialogue, but I remember it now that I'm seeing it.

    Sounds more like a retirement thing to me than a career change. I can't see Geordi leaving Starfleet to become a writer.
     
  8. Ithekro

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    Maybe he's decided to be the say at home dad. Taking a break from Starfleet to raise his kids. Being an author for those years because going back to Starfleet.
     
  9. Lance

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    I'm happy to go with the 'fanon' that Picard was about TOS-Kirk's age (maybe even younger) when he took Captaincy of the Stargazer. In the absence of backstories with solid canon foundations, then I think its fair game for items from the Writer's Guide to serve as a substitute, until such time as they are either confirmed or contradicted by on-screen evidence. :)

    Picard as seen in TNG was always supposed to be a mature age man, a seasoned captain with a long career history already under his belt, although Patrick Stewart himself was actually 'playing older' than his real age. Riker was the guy who was supposed to be the young TOS-style strapping action hero.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that was just because DeSeve was coming back from Romulus, and the Romulan equivalent rank to captain is "Commander". I'm reasonably sure you can't use that line to determine Picard's rank when DeSeve originally defected.
     
  11. yenny

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    No, And That isn't all what I've had posted. If you had read my post? You would had knew I was using past tense, not present tense. But no you didn't. You only choice what you wanted to use. When DeSeve came on Board the Enterprise, He said he need to see Captain Picard. He called Picard Captain. But when he meet Picard. He call Him Commander. But right after DeSeve had call Him Commander. Picard reply. ''At ease, It's Captain actually.'' Which was the rank that Picard had at the time when DeSeve defected to Romulus.

    I thought I was the only Star Trek illiterate person here? You should know that if you had watch Star Trek, STDSN, STTNG? You would had knew that when a Romulan talk to a Star Fleet Captain, They always call them Captain. A Star Fleet officer meeting a Romulan Commander, always call them Commander.
     
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  12. Avro Arrow

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    ^ Actually, I did read your entire post, but it's possible I did not parse your meaning correctly, and misinterpreted your point. If so, my apologies.

    It sounded like you were saying that Picard would have been a commander when DeSeve defected, since DeSeve calls Picard that when DeSeve returns to the Federation. I was just saying I disagree with that premise, for the reason I stated. If that is not *actually* your premise, then mea culpa.

    Of course, I am also not sure where this comes from:

    Assuming the "his" here refers to Picard, what is this based on? If this were true, Picard might have mentioned this to Scotty on the holodeck, rather than just mentioning that there was a Constitution class ship in the fleet museum.
     
  13. Mutai Sho-Rin

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    All right, enough with the attitude. No need to go to red alert for a misunderstanding.
     
  14. Ithekro

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    Picard has clearly not served on a Constitution-class ship, or he would have mentioned that to Scotty rather than say he saw one in the museum.
     
  15. Kobayshi Maru

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    I wonder if it's Leah Brahms.
     
  16. RoJoHen

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    I think it's obviously Leah Brahms.
     
  17. Disco

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    It was Picard's age in Insurrection that unsettled me. He's 70 years old yet able to fight Ru'afo like he's a young man. The Ba'ku homeworld will have affected him though of course.
     
  18. Shat Happens

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    The question is, original Leah or holo-Leah?
     
  19. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I find it entirely possible and likely that DeSeve just used the rank of Commander as a sort of automatic response. He was used to it while on Romulus, so naturally he automatically called any starship commander that.

    It's like Michael York's appearance on Law & Order: Criminal Intent. His character is French, and he calls Robert Goren an 'Inspector'. This is because in the French police, Inspector is just a normal detective rank. (An Inspector in the NYPD, on the other hand, is two grades above Captain, which Goren obviously is not.) So York's character, being French, naturally used the rank he is accustomed to. Same story here, I would think.
     
  20. Armored Saint

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    Yeah, it's clearly sound like a normal slip from a guy who just served twenty years in an army where Commander is the equivalent of Captain in Starfleet. DeSeve see Picard as the commanding figure, not as an officer he could have known before he deflection.

    Tapestry clearly contradicts the 2605 birthdate, cause Q states the incident with the Nausicaan was approximately thirty years before...so it makes Picard having the age of Patrick Stewart.