Paris as Locarno

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by hux, Feb 6, 2014.

  1. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2007
    Location:
    In many different universes, simultaneously.
    That's why Locarno wouldn't have worked. A good character is a well-rounded, dynamic character. Tom Paris was a more-than-competent pilot, he made a good medic (even before receiving extra training from the Doctor), he had a conscience, he had a strong sense of duty and loyalty, and he knew how to have fun.

    I can't imagine Locarno goofing around with Harry in the Captain Proton program. I can't even imagine Locarno and Harry even being friends. I certainly can't imagine Locarno as someone B'Elanna would be friends with, never mind eventually marrying.
     
  2. Tosk

    Tosk Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2001
    Location:
    On the run.
    Nick had one episode, Tom had seven years. How well rounded was Tom by the halfway point of Caretaker?
     
  3. Bad Thoughts

    Bad Thoughts Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Location:
    Containment Area for Relocated Yankees
    He gained a catchphrase, "Yes, ma'am. " Is that development?
     
  4. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2007
    Location:
    In many different universes, simultaneously.
    Was that before or after we know he likes plain tomato soup and he rescued Harry from being fleeced by Quark?

    There's another difference between them. Tom Paris is the 24th century equivalent of "street-smart." That's something I don't get from Locarno.
     
  5. Bad Thoughts

    Bad Thoughts Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Location:
    Containment Area for Relocated Yankees
    ^In the end, I don't feel the differences are compelling. Even inn the first hour, we learn more about Paris than we did about Locarno. However, Locarno was designed as something for Wesley to react to and ultimately to reject. We're supposed to learn to love and live with Paris for many seasons. It's the difference between a one-time part and a recurring role, nothing more.
     
  6. Ríu ríu chíu

    Ríu ríu chíu Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Location:
    Mr. Laser Beam is in the visitor's bullpen
    Locarno openly encouraged everyone else in Nova Squadron to lie and cover up the truth. He never showed any remorse for what happened. Paris falsified reports at first, but eventually admitted what he'd done. Locarno would never have done that.
     
  7. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Pity we never actually got a chance to see if he would have, I don't know, developed into someone who might have.
     
  8. exodus

    exodus Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2003
    Location:
    The Digital Garden
    Kinda why I put "Droid" in quotes.
     
  9. wtriker1701

    wtriker1701 Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    May 9, 2012
    Location:
    Platjenwerbe, Germany
    Jumped onto my mind:

    Janeway to 'Locarno': "So you go with the name Tom Paris now, why?"

    'Locarno': "Let's just say, it is and'll stay my 'Nom de Voyage', ok? Please don't tell anyone!"
     
  10. TheSubCommander

    TheSubCommander Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    May 5, 2013
    But Exodus is right: Motorola Droid models are exactly what he is talking about. Motorola must pay Lucas for the use of the word Droid.
     
  11. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2011
    Location:
    Gene's office
    Trademark law has nothing directly to do with the topic of this thread, though, unless we're trying to draw some sort of analogy (which is irrelevant in figuring out who gets paid what, anyway).

    WGA screenwriting credit rules are what's actually relevant.
     
  12. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Tom didn't have a sense of duty and loyalty in Caretaker, he developed it as the show went on.

    And honestly I felt like, while his boyish quality turned into one of his better character traits, it contradicted his established qualities at the beginning. And I think they went a little far in that direction making him a little too obsessed with silly things.
     
  13. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2007
    Location:
    In many different universes, simultaneously.
    What silly things? My dad was into old cars, goofy TV shows, and pizza. If the holodeck had been invented by now, my dad would have happily made his own garage and other holodeck programs. They would have been based on Louis L'Amour novels, though, instead of old B&W cliffhanger serials.
     
  14. billcosby

    billcosby Commodore Commodore

    At all these conventions and over all these years... someone must have asked him this question once.
     
  15. hux

    hux Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2010
    Location:
    Hard Sassenach in Moist Aberdeen
    Exactly....Paris started as the troubled bad boy who shouldn't be trusted etc (he was basically Locarno)...a few episodes in however and we start to see the goofy side (like when you go on a date and pretend to be all mature and sophisticated then three months later you relax and stop all that crap)

    So i don't see why it would be a problem for Locarno to have developed in exactly the same way
     
  16. Ríu ríu chíu

    Ríu ríu chíu Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Location:
    Mr. Laser Beam is in the visitor's bullpen
    But the problem with Locarno is that his case got to trial, so to speak. We didn't get the chance to see if he'd have come clean on his own, because Starfleet basically made him do it when they convened the hearing.

    Paris lied on the initial reports and then (without anyone prompting him to) admitted what he'd done. Locarno never got that far, and I still get the feeling he never would have.
     
  17. bbjeg

    bbjeg Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 24, 2013
    Location:
    Right here buddy.
    My "Why didn't they just keep their characters" thread covers a few of the topics covered in this thread (along with other characters that could have continued on) but on the topic of Paris and Locarno, they're two unique characters with similar back stories. Locarno was a much darker character.
     
  18. Ríu ríu chíu

    Ríu ríu chíu Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Location:
    Mr. Laser Beam is in the visitor's bullpen
    Another theory I just made up: Perhaps the VOY writers just thought the name 'Tom Paris' sounded better than 'Nicholas Locarno'?
     
  19. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2008
    Location:
    England
    His response would probably be something like "my personal... cannon?":cardie:
     
  20. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2007
    Location:
    In many different universes, simultaneously.
    Other than the "royalties" reason, that's the most sensible suggestion yet. :techman: