Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Mountie1988, Sep 6, 2013.
Please stop responding to serenitytrek1's off-topic digressions. That's finished.
Back on topic:
Bob Orci is the fucking MAN! Yeah!
Actually, this whole thing reminds me of the 'Is Brannon Braga Evil?' thread that was on the old AOL Star Trek message boards back in the '90s. Don't remember it? That's because i'm old...
ETA: Here's a '97 article that halfway down mentions THE WRATH OF FANS against Braga. How history repeats itself:
WRATH OF FANS: 90s style...
Well, I don't know about evil, but that whole speculum story he told in an interview once sure hit Creep Factor 9.6.
No doubt he's odd.
FYI, I added a link to my last post re: Braga vs. the fans. This Orci stuff is pretty much playing out the same way.
It always will when it's an individual vs a group. The group is made up of so many different interests, viewpoints, and temperaments that it is easy for people to say, "The group is completely irrational / hypocritical / fickle."
Failure will make a person lose their cool, no wonder he's pissed. He writes a couple of half assed movies that have the name "Star Trek" in them that are universally panned then he throws a fit. That makes sense.
On what planet?
Rotten Tomatoes: STID
Rotten Tomatoes: Star Trek
That can't be right. You said "half assed," and "universally panned." Those statements are factually incorrect.
Rotten Tomatoes - 87%
IMDB - 8.0
Metacritic - 72%
And STiD has made nearly HALF A BILLION DOLLARS worldwide, not counting the DVD and Bluray sales which we'll know in a few months.
Wherever you got your information, it is incorrect.
My information is correct, it didn't make half a billion worldwide, the japanese people avoided it like the plague. I wonder how much paramount paid those sites to bullshit.
Really? We're going to go down the "Paramount bought votes" route?
So when faced with facts that contradict your opinion you claim "bullshit"?
Care to share the source for your information?
Cite evidence. Otherwise, your suppositions are flawed and baseless.
Just because Star Trek into Darkness didn't do quite as well in Japan doesn't make it a failure. Star Trek has traditionally fared poorly in non-US markets, and in fact, the much better international gross of Into Darkness is something to be commended. Even in Japan, it has scored $9 million compared to $5.8 million of the 2009 movie, showing that there is a significant improvement.
NO Star Trek movie has made half a billion worldwide. Star Trek Into Darkness remains the one movie closest to reaching half a billion with a total gross of $465 million. In fact, with the exception of The Voyage Home, none of them have domestic grosses (Box Office Mojo doesn't have non-US box office details for some Trek movies) that exceed $100 million. So are all the other Star Trek movies failures too?
If studios could easily influence critics to give positive reviews it's a wonder why so many blockbusters are still panned. For example why didn't Paramount pay them to upvote the Transformers series then?
Which brings us to the real question: what kind of monumental failure happened in their life that made people so bitter and angry about a fucking movie?
Speculum story? You just just leave us hanging like that!
I suspect you know these feelings well
You'd get at least 23,351
Don't say I didn't warn you.
This was from an on the record interview with writer Jeff Greenwald that Braga allegedly gave during a sex party at his home. As far as I'm aware, Braga has never disputed the quote:
Spoiler: Spoiler coded just in case
"I am something of an amateur gynecologist. I have been known to utilize a speculum now and again. The female body, as a functional instrument, obsesses me. If I were on the Enterprise's holodeck . . . My greatest fantasy is to be with that fifty-foot woman from those schmaltzy 1950s sci-fi films. That would be the ultimate: to actually crawl up the vagina."
----- Brannon Braga - from Jeff Greenwald's Future Perfect: How Star Trek Conquered Planet Earth (1998), pgs. 55-56.
There's nothing illegal or anything like that; it's just a weird fetish, but the clinical way he describes women, calling the female body a "functional instrument" that he's obsessed with examining, and the way he literally objectifies and reduces women down to their body parts (non-metaphorically), is pretty damn creepy.
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