Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Cara007, Nov 1, 2013.

  1. BillJ

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    I've always thought of Kirk as a superhero. :techman:

    This is a fair criticism of the movie. I do think the transition from Harrison to Khan was sloppy.
     
  2. BigJake

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    A man doesn't have to be a superhero... to be a hero.

    --I totally thought this would be a quote from somebody famous, but it isn't
     
  3. CorporalClegg

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    Same.

    And, as strange as it may seem, I've never heard the English version of that song (nor do I really want to), but I did have to look that line up since it's a bit different from the literal translation of the original. It's a bit darker in German.

    In any case the German calls the fighter pilots "great warriors" who thought they were Kirk.

    A small difference that I just thought I'd share cuz I'm bored.
     
  4. CorporalCaptain

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    Right. The "Red Balloons" version is not a literal translation.
     
  5. M'Sharak

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    Most translations of song lyrics or poetry aren't, because a literal translation generally won't scan. The best translations are those which preserve (most of) the sense and tone of the original text without sacrificing the metrical rhythm of the lines.
     
  6. Nerys Myk

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    I'd have to disagree. Trek is full of comic book/junk science like Psi powers and people gaining new abilities from radiation and "alien" materials. More Peter Venkman than Albert Einstein. We're talking baby steps SF here.
     
  7. BigJake

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    Psi powers are a venerable SF theme, but to be sure they're more firmly in the junk science category now than ever before. It will be interesting to see if televised SF ever grows beyond them. As far as baby steps SF goes, that's absolutely true... but the baby steps were giant steps compared to Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers or Lost In Space. Or, arguably, nuTrek.

    People gaining new abilities from radiation? Which episode am I forgetting?
     
  8. BillJ

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    I'd argue that from an entertainment perspective, the Abrams films were a giant step up from much of the Star Trek with Rick Berman's name on it.

    The radiation was off the scale as they crossed the barrier in Where No Man Has Gone Before.
     
  9. Nerys Myk

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    Where No Man Has Gone Before. Gary Mitchell get psi powers from the Galactic Barrier.
     
  10. BigJake

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    As a feast for the senses and action-delivery-system, Abramstrek is streaks beyond anything else in the franchise, there's absolutely no contesting that. The most disastrous flaw of Berman-era Trek was that it got so used to painting inside the lines of "canon" visual style that it forgot that maybe it should attempt to do something exciting and fresh. For visual design*, style, verve, nuTrek is the clear winner... and Trek is an action franchise first, which earns it huge points on that score.

    Let me set down my Cup of Hatorade for a moment and tell you some things I love about nuTrek: the uniforms, a great update of the classic look. The visuals overall**: in and of themselves, I think the design and CGI teams deserve a damned large share of credit for the financial success of the films. The action set-pieces -- especially space-diving in ST09, Khan and Kirk's space-shot in STID, Quinto's Khan yell (whatever dramatic-structuring nitpicks one might have with it, in and of itself it was good fun) and Spock's subsequent battle with Khan.

    All damned good stuff.

    (* Except perhaps for the incredibly lame-assed product placements.)

    (** Excepting the Apple Store bridge sets and the absurd preponderance of lens flare, everything else was great.)

    So the radiation was actually the source of Gary Mitchell's powers? I'd always thought it was something undefined about the region of space, just like the "Barrier" didn't register in the ship's sensors but did in the mind.
     
  11. BillJ

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    Actually, I misremembered the lines. There was no radiation. :eek:
     
  12. BigJake

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    Shit happens. :)

    I don't know if you've ever read Vernor Vinge's A Fire Upon the Deep (if not, treat yourself, it's great) but it always seemed to me like "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was the inspiration for his Zones of Thought concept.
     
  13. Therin of Andor

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    Yes, They switched out the holographic lungs for a single lung from an alien with a seven-year life span. While they were training her to be the only nurse on a 70-year journey.
     
  14. Timewalker

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    I wonder if Neelix could have had another offscreen lung transplant from one of the Talaxians before Voyager left the vicinity. That would be a sensible precaution to take, although of course the episode appeared to move along too quickly for there to be time for such an operation.
     
  15. BillJ

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    Yet some folks continue to scream about gaps in the plot of the Abrams films. :guffaw:
     
  16. Nerys Myk

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    Captain Kate is an optimist.

    JANEWAY: HA! We made in seven years!!

    KES: Ack! (falls to floor dead)
     
  17. Timewalker

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    So? That would be in keeping with her 9-year lifespan.

    Have people forgotten that Tom was in medical training as well, and assisted the Doctor on occasion?
     
  18. Therin of Andor

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    Not forgotten at all. Tom was already a trained Medic, who got called away from his job at the Helm during too many emergencies. Kes was encouraged to train as a nurse because Tom was too invaluable to keep losing from the bridge.

    But how dumb to train just one (alien) nurse, who was unlikely to be there for 63 years of their estimated return journey.
     
  19. SeerSGB

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    You'd think at the least the entire crew should be required to take some sort of medic-training, and the pull a half dozen or so into being nurses. And we never did hear of anyone putting forth the ideal of having someone actually training towards being a full doctor.
     
  20. Timewalker

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    True. I got the impression that there were more engineers than they really needed and not enough balance elsewhere. One of the first things Janeway should have done (after they got the Maquis-as-crew situation sorted out) was institute a cross-training program.