One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by HaplessCrewman, May 29, 2014.

  1. MakeshiftPython

    MakeshiftPython Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Don't take it as an impression, they do exist. They're called masochists. Or fans of NEMISIS.

    Buh-dum-boom!


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  2. Smellmet

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    Perfectly sums up my theatre experience of the movie as a 40 year old fan myself.

    I think it is a fantastically entertaining movie and almost the complete blockbuster.
     
  3. martok2112

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    Prepare to shoot me, but Nemesis is my favorite of the TNG films....

    why?

    1. Despite its storytelling and technical flaws, it actually looks and feels like a big screen movie, whereas Generations, First Contact, and Insurrection looked like overblown two hour episodes.

    B. The space battle took up practically the entire last half of the film, and it wasn't two effects shots and a bunch of "crew getting thrown around" shots. It was a knock down, drag out space battle!

    Third. The collision between the Big E and the Scimitar....priceless, if implausible!

    :)
     
  4. Ancient Mariner

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    NEM always came across as really bad fan fiction to me. :p

    In any case, Into Darkness was and is a thoroughly enjoyable, entertaining film. It's not perfect, but it was good enough to transcend its sci-fi genre and find a more general, casual, movie going audience.
     
  5. Shikarnov

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    My feelings about STID, just like they did with ST09, changed over time -- which is to say my first viewings of both left an awful taste in my mouth, but subsequent viewings allowed me to pick up on details I appreciated.

    These details were usually related to the great work of the art, costuming, and VFX folks -- who clearly care very much about what they're doing -- and allowed me to focus less on the details I didn't appreciate, like the poor writing.

    Also, I think time let me see the movies for what they are: 21st Century popcorn flicks that make a ton of money in the short term. And who doesn't like a good popcorn flick from time to time?
     
  6. Foxhot

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    Absolutely so. Ansara was even intimidating while playing stock characters on LOST IN SPACE ad other projects. Nobody decks Kirky like Kang.
     
  7. The Colonel

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    Its hard to argue with the criticisms in the article. I thought Into Darkness was entertaining and had some good moments. Not the best Star Trek film or the worst. It was all over the place with its 9-11 conspiracy angle and shoehorning Khan into the plot while trying to rip off ST:II. Khan was wasted since he had no prior history with Kirk and company. He could have just remained John Harrison throughout the film and very little would have changed.

    Overall it was a well executed big budget Hollywood action movie with Star Trek sort of pasted on top of it. It fell into a lot of cliché action movie writing where there is ostensibly a lot going on, but in reality there isn't much of a plot. To be fair the TNG films really started the cliché action movie trend, they just had older actors and a smaller budget. Nemesis also tried really hard to be The Wrath of Khan and failed even harder.

    Oh and the Spock/Uhura romance is just painful to watch, especially when they decide to have their argument in the shuttle on the way the Qonos.
     
  8. doubleohfive

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    A very vocal but exceedingly small percentage of fandom.
     
  9. Shikarnov

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    The problem with such people -- of which I consider myself to be a part -- is that their efforts aren't productive.

    Upthread, Dennis posted an article from Forbes which, amongst other things, says this:

    This is the key. The fans keep showing up. They keep buying memorabilia. They keep downloading comics, building models, collecting figures. They buy the DVD and the BluRay and the Special Editions to keep their "collections" intact.

    We're like a union that never strikes: useless. And so the complaints are just incessant whining.

    I really think, though, if Paramount saw all that residual income dry up overnight -- if all the millions of dollars that get spent after an initial box office run just disappeared -- they'd rethink the strategy and at the least hire writers who were a little less lazy and would take a minute or two to Google a ******* map.

    C'est la vie.
     
  10. iguana_tonante

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    I don't think I agree. Tomatometers, critical and popular acclaims, and box office results are brought up when people argue that "people hated the movie" or some other nonsense. It has nothing to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of the scrip, but to dispel the argument put forth by some critics that the movie is universally panned as the "worst movie evah".
     
  11. Jeyl

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    A year later. I've seen the film a couple of times and this is all I've got.

    - The film still comes off more like a giant reset switch since it covers the same exact ground that the last movie did. Kirk and Spock bicker over their differences, Kirk gets in trouble with Starfleet, Kirk is given command of the Enterprise through special circumstances, Kirk space jumps out of one ship and onto another, both feature one of the main leads preparing to sacrifice themselves to save the day but are rescued at the end and we're left with the promise that we will be going out into deep space to do some exploring. When 3 comes out, I'd be curious to know what the film carries over from STID, because if it doesn't, STID can be seen as a completely skippable movie since nothing really happens that changes anything.

    - The idea of using Khan wasn't the problem. It was his execution. I'm not saying Khan is a misunderstood good guy, but he sure wasn't Hitler. And even with what they've got, there is nothing about Khan that makes him come off as "superior" to our main characters since all of his plans are based on assumptions that are wrong and cannot figure out that the bombs he wants back could potentially be used against him.

    - The action may be fun, but where's the action that Star Trek used to be really good at? You have this so-called "Federation Flagship" that's supposed to be one of a kind and super tough, but nothing is really done with her. When we have a potential space battle scene, the Enterprise has a glass jaw so big that after being shot at for 10 seconds she is completely out of the fight. She never fires a single phaser or torpedo. The Klingon chase on Kronos felt more like the Millennium Falcon being chased by Tie Fighters complete with narrow regions that only the hero ship can fit through.

    - The Vengeance crashing into San Francisco was gratuitous and overall pointless. Thousands upon thousands of innocent men women and children probably died thanks to Khan and nothing about this disaster affects anyone. The fact that no one on the Enterprise even brought up the idea of stopping the Vengeance from crashing into the city is mind boggling. Sure, the Enterprise would probably be too damaged to do anything, but showing no concern at all isn't a good way to convey that they can't do anything.

    Sulu: Whoa! He just jumped 30 meters.
    Me: HE CRASHED A SHIP INTO A POPULATED CITY!

    - The writers once again assume that if you give a character a skill set, that automatically makes them super important to the story! But like the last movie, they never put their said skills to use when the character has their moment. Carol Marcus is established as being a weapons expert so it made sense that she would assist in opening a Torpedo in order to reveal it's contents. But how she disarms the torpedo isn't exactly the kind of stuff you would need an engineer for. Just as having someone who can speak Romulan winds up being pointless since the Romulans that can speak perfect english, the method of disarming an advanced and dangerous torpedo is basically just ripping stuff out of it. This is the kind of situation I would expect a person who is NOT a weapons expert would do. If she is completely clueless about what to do, why bother making her a weapons expert in the first place? This could have been any character. And speaking of...

    - Uhura reduced to "Action Girl" status. Like Alice in the Resident Evil movies, being able to kick butt is not an interesting character trait. While I loved the idea of Uhura trying to negotiate with the Klingons by speaking to them in their native language, I knew from the very beginning it was going to be pointless because IT'S AN ACTION MOVIE. Shooting will always trump talking, and what a trump attempt this was because now she has to be rescued before she's chocked and gutted. But that's ok. We're supposed to think Uhura is still cool because she can fight Klingons with knifes and guns..... and when the crew learns that they can transport onto the platform where Spock and Khan are fighting on, Uhura is the one they send. Not a security officer, not more than one person, just her with a gun. This is not a good use of a character when any character in the whole movie could have filled this role. The only character that would make more sense then Uhura would be Carol Marcus since fighting Khan would give her a little payback towards Khan for murdering her father and helping Spock who was a little rude to her earlier on in the film.
     
  12. Foxhot

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    Just about every PG-13 action film each summer has it both ways by IMPLYING mass carnage without showing the blood or the bodies, except for the key speaking characters. This way they can leave the ridiculous possibility thousands DIDN'T die, as all you witness is the buildings or ships getting destroyed. So once again the dialogue leaves out what Sulu could certainly have said but did not.
     
  13. Noname Given

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    Saw it twice in the theatre (Once in 3D with friends, and again in 'normal' because 3D never has really worked for me and makes the film look more darkly lit); and picked up the Blu-Ray the day it was released...

    But as a now 51 year old TOS fan replace 'mid-forties' with 'early-fifties' and the quote above works as my impression of STiD too.
     
  14. Smellmet

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    I made a point of watching it in 2D. Films that are converted to 3D post production look shite. It was the most pumped Ive felt upon leaving the theatre since T2. I loved seeing Star Trek getting the big budget treatment it so deserves. The scene where scotty and kirk were running up the walls of the of the enterprise as it was spinning out of control were simply excellent, dramatic Trek turned up to 11. I loved it. And I'm a massive TMP fan...
     
  15. LOKAI of CHERON

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    Yep, chalk me up as another punter distinctly unenthused by 3D. Home Cinema is one of my major hobbies and a passion too. For me, 3D adds nothing save distraction to most movies.

    4K is a development I'm looking to adopt should native content become readily available though - I've watched jaw dropping demonstrations at a CE show.
     
  16. doubleohfive

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    I'm aware of the Forbes article; it was my Facebook page Dennis shared it from. :)

    2) You're right that it's money driving things. Perfect example - the outrage over Paramount's spreading all the various extras for Star Trek Into Darkness over different editions of the DVD, Blu-Ray, and iTunes releases. Some people here were quite annoyed. And yet just about everyone went and bought the damn thing, once again lining Paramount's pockets.

    But as I said then, they don't have anyone to blame but themselves.
     
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  18. Ovation

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    One year later and it's still just as much fun to watch (which, incidentally, is A LOT) as it was the first time around. Looking forward to the next instalment.
     
  19. Shaka Zulu

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    One more time...THIS.
     
  20. Ancient Mariner

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    I rewatched the film earlier this evening. Lots of fun, I really enjoy the character work with Kirk and Spock ... and the story is still fascinating to watch unfold.