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Discussion in 'Star Trek - Original Series' started by ZapBrannigan, Mar 6, 2014.

  1. King Daniel Beyond

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    Doesn't work in light of ST'09. Surely Mitchell getting it wrong is easier?
     
  2. T'Girl

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    Better he deliberately choose to use something other than Kirk's actual middle initial. Kirk himself never uses the R, and neither do his official records.

    Romeo?

    :)
     
  3. GNDN18

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  4. Robert Comsol

    Robert Comsol Commodore Commodore

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    Sorry, but no. Gene Rodenberry's introduction to the TMP novelization has James Kirk state that his grandfather was infatuated with the Roman Emperor Tiberius, hence that middle name.

    @ GNDN18

    Have your superior officer call me in the morning. Most assuredly I'm not a piece of set decoration. :p (although I like to write about set decorations, too).

    Bob
     
  5. Mr. Adventure

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    Sure it does, they didn't name him Tiberius as shown. He declares himself to be James Tiberius Kirk as his rebellious side blossoms.


    Still works with my idea.

    (Not that I'm at all serious about this...:lol:)
     
  6. T'Girl

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    And his first name of James came from his mother's "love instructor!"


    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  7. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Commodore Commodore

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    Roddenberry's good ideas were good and his bad ideas were terrible.
     
  8. Mr. Laser Beam

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    ^ Especially now that we know - the real George Kirk was clearly not the kind of wuss who would cause his wife to need a "love instructor" (whatever the hell that means) in the first place. :lol:
     
  9. Shat Happens

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    maybe she needed to get up to his speed
     
  10. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Well, in the real world, there are such things as sex therapists. Perhaps this is what Gene meant by this "love instructor" crap.

    But somehow I doubt that George and Winona needed such a thing. ;)
     
  11. Shat Happens

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    you people made me get the book and chek. It's on Page 1.

    Notice "first". I get it's meant as figurative, not a real instructor.

    That or sex in the 23 century is a major composed of various disciplines.
     
  12. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk The Real Me Premium Member

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    Probably just the first guy she had sex with.
     
  13. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Commodore Commodore

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    Under the eye of NBC Standards and Practices and a less "liberated" American culture, Roddenberry did some great writing for Star Trek. True, he started off with a green Orion slave girl, but the rest of the series was played pretty straight. By 1979 however, when he was under far less restraint, he was again injecting off-color material into the franchise for no better reason than attention-getting.

    The love instructor bit in his TMP novelization, plus Ilia's whole "overwhelming pheromones" deal, seemed awkward and stupid to me even as a hormonal teenager. I'll bet Star Trek II would have been sexed up if GR had stayed in control.

    I like sexy movies as much as anyone, but that's not what Star Trek is best at, and not what I want to see Kirk and Spock dealing with.
     
  14. The Old Mixer

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    Somebody had to keep Mrs. Kirk company while George was out protecting the Nine Realms.
     
  15. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk The Real Me Premium Member

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    Mrs. Kirk lives in a fantasy world.
     
  16. scotpens

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    In the 23rd century they teach sexual technique in school. You have to know it in case something goes wrong with the machine. ;)
     
  17. Mr. Adventure

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    I love the TMP novelization, it's like pure Roddenberry for better or worse. Inspired by this thread, I started reading it a little last night. I love that Sulu is described as a "scrutable Asian".
     
  18. TREK_GOD_1

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    That is the conflicting mindset of the ultra-progressive; GR's description for Sulu was patently offensive--certainly antiquated, but he likely thought he was being "respectful" of what he believed was some inherent trait of those from Sulu's background.

    Stereotyped, misguided BS X 1000, but hey, its Gene (the hero who fought dastardly, woman hatin' NBC!), so he cannot be accused of being politically incorrect.

    ...yeah...

    Then, TMP was the point where GR--in full revisionist mode--tried to explain away the make-up of the TOS Klingons...
     
  19. ZapBrannigan

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    I'm pretty sure it already sounded backward and out-of-touch by 1979, but the actual cliche was "inscrutable Asian." The idea was that you never knew what those mysterious Asians were thinking. GR was calling Sulu "scrutable," reversing the cliche, as a little attempt at wit.

    Another Roddenberry-ism that clanged on my ear occurred in an interview. I can't remember if it was on The Mike Douglas Show (I audio-taped his appearance as a kid) or if it's on the 1976 spoken-word LP (now CD) Inside Star Trek. He referred to "...the affection I have for Asians..." as the reason for Sulu's presence. It was one of the most paternalistic and self-centered (to say nothing of over-generalizing) statements I've ever heard.
     
  20. TREK_GOD_1

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    Yeah, that's GR....but again, he thought he could say anything, since as the creator of Star Trek, he was the Super Most Liberal Understanding Man in the Universe, so his every view was acceptable.