Of the "BIG" questions, how many were answered?

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by WeAreTheBorg, Mar 21, 2009.

  1. JNG

    JNG Chief of Staff, Starfleet Command

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    In a real science fiction series, no, that isn't an answer. The same people who loved Touched by an Angel are going to sit here and tell you how great of an answer that is.
     
  2. Sci

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    Exactly.

    I mean, the heart and soul of that episode wasn't in the technical minutiae. "What was HeadSix? What were the Cylons' plans?"

    The heart and soul of that episode was Adama putting the ring on Laura's dead hand. The heart and soul of that episode was Lee talking to Kara and then realizing that she's just gone and he'll never understand why. The heart and soul of that episode is the characters abandoning their sick and corrupt society to try to start over.

    What's is "God"'s plan? Well, if HeadSix and HeadBaltar are to be believed, he's engaging in a long-term, multi-planetary game of apocalypse and re-build. And he doesn't like being called "God." (Maybe he's actually the Devil?) But the point of the episode, of the series, really, is the cycle of violence that societies find themselves in: How they rise, fall, and are reborn in bloodshed, and how they try to break that cycle.... but never quite escape it. Is it "God's" plan? Is it inherent to our nature -- and therefore to God's?

    These are questions it's supposed to make you ask. They are inevitably unanswerable, and it would be really cheap, and a huge letdown, for them to even try. There's a reason that the funniest gag in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is finding out that the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything is 42 -- because when you hear that, you realize that there's no answer that could possibly be enough. So it is with the questions Battlestar Galactica raises about human -- and by extension, divine -- nature.

    Actually, considering that the series raised the very real possibility that God is either evil or amoral, that's pretty unlikely.

    The idea is ambiguity. Sorry if you don't like that.
     
  3. WeAreTheBorg

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    You are absolutely right. I STILL expected some sort of explanations for at least some of these points. The head characters especially, because RDM has explicitly said that they would be explained and they were not.
     
  4. Sci

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    They were as explained as they needed to be: They were messengers of a creature that has been manipulating Humanity and Cylons throughout history in a never-ending cycle of violence and re-birth, seemingly with the goal of seeing if a society that is sufficiently moral as to survive can evolve.

    Is that creature God, or the Devil? Are the head characters angels, or demons?

    We don't know, and we don't know because they're reflections of us. And no one can say whether Humanity is good or evil. It's an open question and it always will be. To try to definitively ascribe divinity or demonry to "God" would be to undermine the primary theme of moral ambiguity, to undermine the ability of the series to ask its question -- for it is a series about questions, not answers. And the question is:

    Are we worthy of survival?
     
  5. WeAreTheBorg

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    But we already knew that. It's not an explanation if it's just reinforcing what we've already been told.
     
  6. Sci

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    First: I've been watching BSG since it aired, and, no, we didn't know that. We never knew if HeadSix was a chip, or a CylonProjection, or a messenger from God, or what.

    Secondly: Again, the point is not even that they're "God's" messengers. The point is that we no more understand their moral fiber than we do our own. The entire point of that is to use THEIR moral ambiguity to illustrate real society's moral ambiguity. We do not know if they were angels or demons, and we do not know if we are good or bad. The point is to make us ask that question, not to give answers.

    Seriously, getting fixated on the technical nature of the Head characters is like getting fixated on how Hamlet escaped from the pirates. The story isn't about that, and to take it that way is to misread the text.
     
  7. T'Pers0n

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    In early season two, Six stated she was an angel of god and it was revealed Baltar had no chip in his head. Cylon projection didn't even exist as an option back then. The only time they really backed away from this idea after revealing it was after introducing Gina on Pegasus.
     
  8. Sci

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    And there were plenty of other possibilities so far as we knew at that time, up to and including Baltar himself being a Cylon, the Cylons having abilities yet unrevealed, and Baltar being completely insane.

    HeadSix was certainly claiming to be a messenger from the entity that she calls God, but that does not mean we knew it until now. In fact, so far as I'm concerned, there was no particular reason to presume that she was telling the truth until the final sequence, because only then were the Head characters speaking to each other rather than to other characters.
     
  9. davejames

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    Well said. Those were the kinds of moments that defined what the show was really about. It's about their relationships, and their struggle to find meaning and purpose in a world that had been turned upside down, and how they deal with these emotionally complex Cylons who are also searching for answers.

    It's not about the freakin Cylon mythology.
     
  10. bryce

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    So "God" destroyed the 12 Colonies just like "He" sent the Great Flood and destroyed the Tower of Babel - as punishment inventing "decadent" technology!?

    Maybe "God" destroyed the Colonies because "He" wanted to teach us that cybernetic technology could destroy us...?

    Or God wanted to save us so he created this whole world full of humans we could breed with and gave Hera and Starbuck this message...but he couldn't just have stopped the destruction of the Colonies (or Kobol - or Earth mk. 1) in the first place...?

    "God" in BSG is about as inconsistant and illigocal as "God" in the real universe...
     
  11. davejames

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    Yeah I certainly never thought she was being SERIOUS when she talked like that.

    In fact it would be interesting to rewatch all her scenes from the beginning of the series, so I could actually pay more attention and glean a little more from her about this "God" she served (because I have to admit, I never paid much attention to all that mystical God talk she was spouting before).

    Of course this assumes that it was Moore's intention with her all along, and it's not just a recent idea...
     
  12. Maurice

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    I think what a lot of people are missing here is that "God" didn't make all these things happen (with some exceptions), but many of the things that happened were in God's name. The skinjobs claimed it was God's will that humanity be destroyed, but then lots of groups HERE claim that this or that horrendous act is God's will. Just cause they say it's so doesn't mean it was actually so.

    What was "God's" intent? To tell these being to stop this endless cycle of destruction, come together and take a different path. That generations of humans and cylons kept perpetrating the same mistakes was because they hadn't hit on the magic formula: our future isn't us or them, it's BOTH of us.

    From my perspective, Hera being "Eve" means the colonial DNA died out except that which Hera carried: which is more or less implicit in the last scene where "Lucy" is mentioned. The head characters were messengers guiding a few chosen to the correct path. Whether or not they always followed that path correctly is another matter.

    As to Kara: she's the Christ figure. She dies, she resurrects, then she vanishes back to the heavens.

    As to our Earth and "All Along the Watchtower"...the implication is that song was part of the answer all along, various people in various times knew it (Anders "wrote" it, but someone on the Colonies did, too, and maybe it was back on Kobol...who knows?). Our Earth acts as the Promised Land. They always had the map (which became a song), but no one apparently ever figured it out before Kara tried it as jump coordinates.

    Plenty of details the quibble over, but the above is one way to look at it.
     
  13. Klaitu

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    The answer to all of these questions is: Watch Caprica. At least, that's the producer's answer.
     
  14. Brolan

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    They aren’t going to sucker me in again. Just like The X-files and Lost it became obvious there was no plan. It was just a series of stories that they loosely tied together at the end. The only series I can recall that actually pulled off a long term plan was B5 written by JMS.