Odo-Kira Relationship

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by bluemoves, Jun 6, 2011.

  1. bluemoves

    bluemoves Ensign Newbie

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    DS9 was my favorite Trek series, but I always thought the writers should have relaxed Odo's character as the years went on, especially once he started the relationship with Kira. And by relaxed I mean making his character less rigid. (Like Odo was in Children of Time.) It seems to me that his character should have grown more in that direction over the 7 years. What does everyone else think?

    As it was, I found the romantic scenes between Odo and Kira awkward to watch since the writers never softened Odo's character. It always seemed like a missed opportunity on the part of the writers.
     
  2. DonIago

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    I thought he did soften over time...
     
  3. Distorted Humor

    Distorted Humor Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I still find the Odo-Kira kiss to be one of the greatest on screen kisses :)
     
  4. DonIago

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    Or at least most entertaining. :)
     
  5. Kestrel

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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure Odo did soften with time.
     
  6. Kestra

    Kestra Admiral Premium Member

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    Aww, I think Odo did soften over time. And I've been rewatching the series, and I'm at the point where they've just started their relationship. Kira makes a comment about how Odo always needs to point out the worst-case scenario and he says something about how that's who he is, or at least that's who everything thinks he is. Or something like that. He said it much sweeter.

    The point is, he's different with her than he is with everyone else. And he's adorable.
     
  7. DonIago

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    Given his line of work, not to mention his nature, it's not all that surprising that he'd be inclined to present a hard exterior to the world at large.
     
  8. bluemoves

    bluemoves Ensign Newbie

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    I agree that he did soften a bit over time. But I thought the writers should have brought him to the point he was in Children of Time.

    That said, I loved both characters. I just thought their relationship was a little uncomfortable to watch since he never seemed like the type Kira would go for. All their scenes together seemed forced. But I thought if the writers made him as "soft" as he was in Children of Time, the relationship would have seemed more credible, at least to me.
     
  9. od0_ital

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    'Children of Time' was Odo a few hundred years after Kira's loss. That he softened as much as he did to let Quark get away with a crime while he took Kira out on a date, and did it as a favor, was really quite a change from the Odo of the first couple of seasons.
     
  10. Kestra

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    I dunno, I like the notion that we don't all have to be soft and mushy in order to have fulfilling romantic relationships. I'm actually glad they didn't change him too much, or it wouldn't have seemed natural. I think it also would have taken away from who he had been earlier. I don't like the idea that people are cynical and gruff like Odo but change once they are in love, as if they were just unhappy before or something. I know that's not what you're saying here and the writers wouldn't have intended to come across that way, but I always feel that the implication could be there.
     
  11. Cakemixo

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    Given his lack of common ground (his history and nature vs most of rest of the crew) being "soft" might be very alien to him at firwt and that's why it took so long for him to soften up to any degree. I thought he was soft when he was with Kira.
     
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    Beautifully put, Kestra. On OP, there is a touch of awkwardness in their onscreen relationship, but I found that true to characters. Off-universe, I'm sure it must have been strange for actors to be 'romantic' when one of them partnered with another co-star. :) But from stuff I've read about Auberjonois and Visitor post-DS9, they apparently get on like a house on fire and have often acted together.
     
  13. Yevetha

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    He became different just like Quark, but you can barely notice it.

    Thats the point.
     
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    I always thought that Odo did soften when it came to Kira. He was "puddy" in her hands at times.

    I agree Oda/Kira kiss A+ all time Fav
     
  15. milquetoast

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    - I disagree. They did soften Odo just not the point of CoT. In CoT you have to remember this character had been alive at that point for 200 years. Those experiences changed him profoundly.

    - He blew off messing with Quark as soon as Kira calls to him in "The Sound of Her Voice". AND he let Quark get away with sumggling, and let the O'Brien leave the station for Molly.

    - I always thought that was the point in the relationship. Especially when it came to Chimera. That the bond/love between them went beyond the physical. Which I particularly loved.

    I found it particularly interesting that the writers seemed do everything to write away from it. Only to write back to it. It was a plot thread they couldn't get away with and devoted an episode to this relationship at least once a year.
     
  16. JirinPanthosa

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    I'm glad he didn't change too much in the 'Soft and mushy' direction, at least to people other than Kira. In too many long running shows, every character starts out as different and interesting, then over the seasons all the characters get dragged toward the center. They treat the character's starting idiosyncracies as personality disorders that need to be cured instead of just things that make them who they are.

    Shows like Dexter are the biggest perpetrators of this, where every non-murderer character who spent more than one year on the show turned into a bland 'nice helpful person'. Debb's neuroses, Laguerta's obsessive politicking, all gone by the end of season two. DS9, thankfully, was generally not too guilty of this.

    Character development should start somewhere different and interesting then evolve naturally to somewhere else different and interesting, instead of just being 'Subtractive development' of all the character's rough edges.
     
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    Women love sexual experimentation, that's true, so I could accept Kira being curious as to what it might be like to make it with a Shape Shifter. But to see that graduate into a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship was absurd and unbelievable, to me. I really felt that they were pushing the "reality" of the series by introducing this bizarre "slash" romance, just for shits and gigles, apparently. It made the Worf/Troi romance seem like perfect sense ...
     
  18. DonIago

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    I don't know where to begin...
     
  19. 2takesfrakes

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    A part of me wants to say it must've been love, because Odo's so ugly. That head. And that voice! How could Kira actually lust after any of that, though? And I am hesitant to ask how a man made of orange JELL-O orgasms and ... stuff. I would definitely be afraid to get with Kira after being with him. What if she still has lingering traces of him on her person? Why this "relationship" even had to be explored, I don't know. I wish I did ... but I don't.
     
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    The Beauty and the Beast. An old, good story. What is in the first place: physical attractiveness or beauty of soul/mind?

    Beatiful person (like Merilin Monroe :) ) will say "Hey, it's obvious. Beauty, perfect body. Only such things deserved your attention and love".
    Other person (like Stephen Hawking ;) ) will say "Hey, dude, it doesn't matter. Love is not a field of science, there are no proven formulas, it's magic".

    The truth is, that there are no rules, except only one: no indifference. Love can start from any feeling: interest, sympathy, hatred, distaste (you may continue the list), but love is impossible, if people are indifferent to each other.