Now Kevin Smith says Star Trek almost as good as Dark Knight

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Brian, Sep 19, 2008.

  1. startrekfiero

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    I don't know, I thought DK was good, but not great.
    I think it did very well because of a few reasons including the fact that it had no other real competition at the time it was released and it had so much hype, especially with the death of Ledger and all. Ledger was amazing and of course stole the show as was expected.
    Bale as Batman just doesn't work well for me and I am a huge Batman fan both in comics and movies so don't get me wrong.
    Not sure all the reasons why but his growling when he talks as Batman is just silly for one.
    I don't know. I just see it as a missed opportunity to have a better Batman this time, deeper and more complex with what he is going through as really two different people at times, but they seem to give most of that to the bad guys and not the bat man. I am glad it did well of course so there will be more films. I just hope they get better as they go along and Bale drops the growling and that they finally get his ears fixed correctly on his mask :wtf:
     
  2. Broccoli

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    Considering I thought TDK over-hyped and over-rated, I hope STXI is better than it.
     
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    Cliche Cliche Cliche

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  5. Saga

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    i love Trek and respect the hell out of Smith and i hope that Trek XI is great...but i just have a hard time thinking it will be Dark Knight level of good-ness.
     
  6. Broccoli

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    I'm sorry I didn't like the movie. Next time, I'll fall into line and fangasim over it. Maybe that'll be less of a cliche.
     
  7. Star Treks

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    I thought TDK was very good, but not fantastic. I was impressed by Ledger's performance but without it the movie would have been mediocre. I think I will enjoy Trek XI more.
     
  8. The Naughty List

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    That's not really the point though, is it? It doesn't really matter what you or anyone else thought about TDK, despite everyone giving their opinions on it in this thread, all that matters is what Kevin Smith thinks about it because he's using his opinion of the film as a point of comparison to Trek XI.

    Smith thought TDK was fantastic, so that bodes well for Trek XI if you trust his opinion and track record, which I do.
     
  9. Jackson_Roykirk

    Jackson_Roykirk Commodore Commodore

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    ^^While it is relevant and does bode well for ST that Kevin Smith's "educated" opinion is that Star Trek and The Dark Knight are of similar qualilty, what IS irrelevant (to me) is that Smith thought TDK was better than ST.

    As I indicated in my post, I do value his opinion in general, but whether or not ST will be better than TDK is an entirely subjective opinion based on the likes and dislikes of each moviegoer. I could value Smith's general assessment as meaningful, but still hope for Star Trek to be a better film -- and may discover it IS a better film (in my opinion) once I see it.

    But, yes, it is a good sign for a film to be favorably compared to The Dark Knight by someone in the movie industry and someone who understands the sci-fi movie culture. I never disputed that point.
     
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  10. Admiral Buzzkill

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    I can't fucking keep track any more, memos or no.
     
  11. Sagart

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    Blimey, I sure hope it's better the 'The Dark Shite'.
     
  12. T'Cal

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    You look nervous. It's the scars, isn't it? Wanna know how I got 'em?? I had a wife, beautiful...like you. Who tells me I worry too much. Who says I need to smile more. Who gambles...and gets in deep with the sharks. One day, they carve her face and we've got no money for surguries. She can't take it. I just want to see her smile again. I just want her to know I don't care about the scars. So I put a razor in my mouth and do this to myself...and you know what? She can't stand the sight of me! She leaves! See, now I see the funny side. Now I'm always smiling!
     
  13. SantaEddie74

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    Kevin Smith has been guilty of so little FAIL in his filmmaking career that I'll take his opinion before I will most other directors' and producers'. This is very encouraging. Only Spielberg and a couple of others have more stroke and pull in my eyes.
     
  14. Crom!

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    ^I remember clearly when Spielberg said The Phantom Menace was the best film he had ever seen...
     
  15. Bill Morris

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    I'm still kicking myself for watching Batman Begins all the way through, waiting for something good. Instead, what I perceived was one insult to the audience after another right to the end.

    If someone who has seen J.J.'s Trek likens it to The Dark Knight, which I have no intention of seeing, to me that's a bad sign, save for the idea that the movie, whether I like it or not, may pave the way for another Trek series. Even then, I would want a new series to be set in the 24th or 25th century.
     
  16. Brutal Strudel

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    For me, Smith's career has been nothing but FAIL, though Chasing Amy had its moments. But That does not invalidate his views as a critic and a fanboy.
     
  17. Rush Limborg

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    The Dark Knight was AWESOME!!!

    It was the most intense movie I'd ever seen! Great story, great dialogue, great performences by all!

    Heath Ledger as The Joker was SUPERB!

    "AAAAAHHHHHHHH, HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
    Ha, he, ha-ha, ah-ha... hoy, he, ha, HOO, haaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
    And I thought my jokes were bad...."

    "How 'bout a magic trick? Okay, see--I'm gonna make this pencil...disapear. Okay, uh--TA-DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

    It'ssssssssssssssssssss...now it's gone!"

    And of course, who could forget:

    "Ya wanna know how I got these scars, hmm? See, my father was...a drinker... and a fiend. And one night, he goes off crazier than usual. Mommy get the kitchen knife to defend herself. He doesn't like that.

    Not...one...bit.

    So... with me watching, he takes the knife to her, laughing while he does it.

    He turns to me... and he says,

    'Why...so...serious?'

    He comes at me with the knife.

    'Why...so...SERIOUS!?'

    He sticks the blade in my mouth.

    'LET'S PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE!!!'

    And............................................

    Why so serious?"
     
  18. mredom

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    Well, I know there are those that disagree, and that's fine. I thought the TDK was not only the best comic book movie I've seen, It was the best movie I've seen in two years. I hope ST is in that league from a story and acting standpoint.

    I'm hopeful, but I want May to be here NOW.

    MRE
     
  19. ancient

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    Pfft, it's as good as Dark Knight, big deal.

    Is it as good as Nemesis?
     
  20. startrekfiero

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    It may have been based on a comic book hero but the Batman version in TDK was nothing like the Batman in the comics.
    First and foremost the suit for Batman in TDK is totally armor and Batman in the comics never had armor, he used stealth, surprise and fear.

    So what is so interesting about this is that fans and movie goers allowed that to not be a big deal and made TDK the movie this years block buster. I hope the new Trek movie is good enough that fans and movie goers will do the same for it as well.