New Possible Spoiler for Harrison and One Other Possible Big Spoiler

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  1. Franklin

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    Seems plausible enough.

    The 'reverse spin'...? Will it be Kirk sacrificing himself to save Spock or Harrison/Khan doing a last minute heel/face turn? The latter seems more likely given that the movie opens with Kirk rescuing Spock, I reckon.
     
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    I did see this quote that would be a great plausible twist, and ties into the hibernation chambers we've seen in the trailers.

    *I had theorized this a while ago
     
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    I'm thinking Pike, just like in the original timeline.



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    Must...resist...
     
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    Fair point, I hadn't considered that.
     
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    Weeks, if not months ago, someone on these boards did a pretty good job of showing that the hand meeting Spock's Vulcan salute through the glass is not Cumberbatch's hand.

    I've always had a gut feeling that Kirk could die in this movie. The problem is, would it be touching and poignant, or schmaltzy and derivative to have his death scene be a reenactment of Spock's death scene from TWOK with the rolls reversed?

    Yes, the spoilers seem plausible, but could simply be logically drawn guesses from just viewing the stills, teasers, and trailers. People on these boards have made similar speculations.

    Gotta buy a ticket, I guess.
     
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    Wonder if anyone could dig that up? Obviously totally possible, even though the trailer seems to imply it's Harrison (or maybe that's just how I'm remembering it).

    Darn it all. :lol:
    Would not be a fan of Kirk dying, it would inevitably mean STIII would be a TSFS reheat. I doubt they could do it with any credibility.
     
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    I seriously doubt they'd kill Kirk.
     
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    I don't know.

    If it's Pike, then wouldn't it make more sense to the story for the person on the other side of the glass to be Kirk instead of Spock?

    I think Pike is killed in the attack we see in the trailer. Then comes his memorial (the flyover and all). Kirk then meets with Admiral Marcus to convince Marcus to let him go after Harrison (the death of Pike making it personal -- hence Marcus telling him Starfleet isn't about vendettas). Marcus gives Kirk back the Enterprise and we go from there.
     
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    Yeah. Me, too. But the idea still gnaws at me. I just don't see a happy ending coming.
     
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    Further Thought - John Harrison's real name will be revealed as Jeffrey Jacob Abrams, and at the end of the movie he'll be banished to A Galaxy Far, Far Away.......... :)
     
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    There's only one flaw in that theory: It's not Abrams, but it's still a SW tie-in. Harrison is actually Anakin Skywalker. His use of the Force explains his persuasive powers over others and his great strength. "Star Trek Into the Dark Side" would've been too obvious a giveaway.
     
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    Sorry for another double post. I'll knock it off, but I found the link to what I was referring to and what yousirname mentions so I thought I should post it. It could be spoilerish, so read at your own risk.

    http://collider.com/star-trek-2-into-darkness-hands/
     
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    I seriously doubt anyone other that Pike will be dying from the main cast.


    Also, I think I've posted this a couple of times somewhere but here it is again, for what it's worth.

     
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    Dear Movies, we have detected your pattern. Please stop it.


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    Compelling villains aren't your cup of tea then? :confused:
     
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    The letting themselves get caught to acheive their Master Plan has been played to death.
     
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    I'm not putting this in spoiler code since it's just speculation and the thread title says "Spoiler" twice anyway. Just don't read on if for some odd reason you're in this thread despite trying to avoid spoilers.












    My suspicion that Cumberbatch might be Khan has hinged not only on the several allusions to TWoK in this film, but also to a couple of the original names for Khan in the early drafts of Space Seed:

    John + Harold Erricsen becomes John Harrison. Also, he initially gives a false identity to conceal his infamous name, just as it's been speculated Harrison might be doing here.

    Given Orci and Kurtzman's (especially Orci's) knowledge and referencing of Trek lore, and the fact that they would undoubtedly have researched Space Seed extensively while working on the script, that seems like something they might do to give the villain a name that's a hint but at the same time deniable and not completely obvious.

    Also, we have the issue of Harrison's seemingly superhuman jumping and massive weapon wielding ability on the Klingon planet, his assertion that he has the ability to cure fatal diseases beyond the abilities of Federation medicine, and while a quest for vengeance is hardly unique to Khan, it's kind of the thing he's known for.

    If I had to take a stab at a potential plot, I'd guess that due to Starfleet's enhanced technology and different priorities in the wake of the attack on the USS Kelvin 25 years in the past, the then Captain Marcus or someone else discovered the SS Botany Bay much earlier than it was found in the Prime Timeline, and after an attempt at seizing his ship, Khan and his followers were banished to Ceti Alpha V like before.

    In this timeline, years later, Ceti Alpha VI was used by Carol Marcus as a test site for her proto-Genesis torpedo, and like in STIII, it failed and wound up destroying the planet. "The shock shifted the orbit of Ceti Alpha V and everything was laid wasted." This may be the desolate planet with the huge rock formations that Harrison is shown staring at in the trailer. Harrison is able to save many of his fellow Augments by having them go back into their cryogenics stasis pods again where they don't need food or water the planet can no longer provide while he goes off on his mission.

    Now Admiral Marcus and the top brass consider it a blessing in disguise that Khan and his dangerous band of Augments probably have been killed off and neglect to send a rescue mission after them. This is what prompts Harrison to say that Starfleet's leaders have committed a terrible crime and to seek vengeance by going undercover and infiltrating Starfleet to destroy their facilities, attack their leadership, gain access to a ship(s), and possibly grab the new and improved Genesis Device, which like many horrible things is being developed with the best of intentions in order to terraform (vulcaform?) a new homeworld for the Vulcan refugees similar to Vulcan itself.

    Khanberbatch will get a hold of a ship, start kicking ass until the Enterprise shows up, we'll have a bigger explosion-fest rehash of the Reliant vs. Enterprise fight, and both ships will be sent careening toward Earth, with Enterprise pulling out of it at the last moment when Kirk sacrifices himself (though probably non-fatally, just severely burned but healable) to restart the engines in a reverse of Spock's sacrifice in TWoK.

    I'm sure that's totally wrong, but that's what I'm going for storywise for now.
     
  20. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Guessing, I'd put it at about 30 to 40 percent right. I don't think there's been a banishment to Ceti Alpha.