New Book about TOS: These Are The Voyages

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  1. Harvey

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    Skimming the sample, the text still calls MGM "the biggest studio in Hollywood" in '63, and also hasn't fixed the erroneous credits it assigns Bob Justman. Seems less like it is "revised and expaned" than "properly proofread this time!" -- although I don't have the book in front of me at the moment to compare.
     
  2. Warped9

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    Wow. I didn't even know there was such a thing. I thought I could only have an ebook through the iBook app. Thanks, I'll look it up.
     
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  4. plynch

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    I prefer it to iBook. Not sure why. Our library has kindle ebooks and they download and work very smoothly on the app.
     
  5. Indysolo

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    Thanks for the tip about the Kindle version. I just bought it.
     
  6. Maurice

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    Reading the sample pages, many of the the editorial choices remain peculiar, like the weird non sequitur about about Bill Gates, the pointless reference to Theiss being gay (what does that have to do with the subject, even if Fontana said it...or does it become an issue later?), and the unchallenged quotes of actors re Spock for the first pilot being an unemotional character when clearly he was not written as such until the second. Also, there's the statement about Lucy when she was told Star Trek wasn't about a USO show, "Lucy was speechless." Really? Says who? It's not treated as a quote. Did Solow say that? Or is the author inferring/imagining...again?

    Also, untrue hyperbole and unsupported statements like the gem that Roddenberry would "change the course of network television". Um...how? Networks did not change their approach because of Star Trek, and no Star Trek series ever ran on a network again until UPN, which went kaput. Seriously, man, this is very poor work for a supposed historical text.

    The Author's Note does address the photo crediting issue somewhat obliquely, but doesn't indicate if they ever got permission to use said photos from those who restored them.
     
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  7. Warped9

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    Downloaded the app and the book. Should be interesting as I've never read a book on my iPad before. If nothing else the pictures look better. :lol: The price is also a lot more appealing.

    That said I can see getting certain kinds of books this way, but other books I would still prefer the old-fashioned in-hand kind printed on paper.
     
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    Did they correct the mistake on the back cover that stated the episode "Sarek" was the first TNG episode to include a character from TOS, which they claimed linked the two series together?
     
  9. mb22

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    Is Jeff Bond still listed as "Jeff Bong" in the notes and bibliography?
     
  10. Indysolo

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    I hope not! He's been telling me to get this book since it's release. He's been a huge cheerleader for it! :)
     
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    Slow day at work today, so I read through the sample pages more carefully. Some comments.

    As far as I know, the sample pages don't contain any of the images taken from Star Trek History. I would be interested to know which images now credit the site, and if any images have been removed from the second edition.

    Of course, "few instances" underplays the whole issue, and makes it clear that Cushman knows about it. Happy to be corrected on this point, but as far as I know the publisher still hasn't sought permission from the two sources that were not "The Collector."

    More underplaying of the issue, although this revised edition appears to have been properly proofread.

    I'd like to know how Cushman knows what happened behind closed doors at MGM and NBC.

    Cushman's point, that a sf program like Star Trek was pretty far afield from what NBC was broadcasting in the mid-1960s, is spot on, but this statement is far from accurate. Science fiction programs NBC aired include:

    Tom Corbett, Space Cadet (January to September, 1951 and December 1954 to June 1955)
    Atom Squad (July 1953 to January 1954)
    Commander Cody (a 1953 theatrical serial, was syndicated to television on NBC in 1955)
    Operation Neptune (June to August, 1953)
    Fireball XL5 (1963 - September 1965)

    Does Inside Star Trek: The Real Story have anything to say about Goldstone's "scheduling conflict" being a lie? That rings false to me.
     
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  13. plynch

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    On Kindle sample, just found a typo, "Mr. Distract Attorney." :)
     
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    Talk to Amazon, sometimes if the price drops drastically within a short time after a purchase (I think typically one month) they'll refund the difference.
     
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    Thanks guys for staying on top of these issues. I've been curious about this book and just lurking in the thread, with nothing really to add, but I fully support putting the spotlight on this sort of thing.

    Right now I have only this to say, which cuts across a lot of fields.

    Monetizing other people's work without attribution and without prior agreement is unethical, especially when there is no mystery behind who has added what to the product and when the manner of the monetization is known to be occurring over the objections of some of those contributors. The restoration of degraded images represents value-added work. While failures in proper attribution or in securing prior agreements might occur innocently for all sorts of reasons, how one comports oneself when made aware of the situation is itself a reflection of personal ethics. Downplaying such an issue, in order to portray a false version of it in print, is deliberate misrepresentation, which is itself unethical.
     
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    While I really want to see what is in that book, I'm still not willing to spend money supporting something that is openly taking others work and monetizing it without permission and/or compensation.
     
  17. trevanian

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    Holdonasec ... don't they mean JAMES Goldstone? Is this another typo, or are they talking about a director I've never heard of?
     
  18. Harvey

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    That's my mistake, I'm pretty sure.

    Yep: my typo. I'll fix it.
     
  19. trevanian

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    I agree with the sentiment entirely and furthermore greatly admire the language employed. (that's my trekbbs equivalent to the facebook 'like' function, I guess ... I'm only just now figuring out vagaries of social media.)
     
  20. Maurice

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    More mushy history:
    The Honeymooners wasn't a sitcom in 1951, it was a recurring sketch on the DuMont network's Cavalcade of Stars and then on CBS's The Jackie Gleason Show. It only became a stand alone half hour comedy 5 years later.

    Furthermore, it first appeared as a sketch on October 5, 1951, only 10 days before Lucy premiered.

    As such, it couldn't have been a model for anything re Lucy.

    Sure, maybe he meant to use The Honeymooners as an example of three camera video production, but the way he's written this it reads like that show was a model for Desi.

    He also writes the title of the Desilu produced series The Lineup as Line Up

    Sloppy, Sloppy. Sloppy.
     
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